Cabin exhaust drone?
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My recently acquired '96 C4S came with Fabspeed mufflers. They sound great from the outside but inside, between roughly 2-3K rpm, there is an annoying resonant drone. Is this a characteristic of the 993 in general or of the 3rd party
pipes? Would reverting to a stock setup or RSR's make much difference?
Second question is: How advisable is it to re-chip the DME with these kinds of exhaust changes? My car has been chipped but nobody seems to know what or whose chip it is.
Your observations are appreciated.
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pipes? Would reverting to a stock setup or RSR's make much difference?
Second question is: How advisable is it to re-chip the DME with these kinds of exhaust changes? My car has been chipped but nobody seems to know what or whose chip it is.
Your observations are appreciated.
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Not a characteristic of a 993 w/ stock setup or RSR's as far as I remember from my experiences.
I would be interested in other responses on remapping the chip after an exhaust is put on (~Steve what are your thoughts? )
I would be interested in other responses on remapping the chip after an exhaust is put on (~Steve what are your thoughts? )
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Based on first hand experience, I can tell you that I did not experience any "droning" with the following:
- OE Motor Sound Pkg mufflers
- GHL Loud
- and now DACH X-pipes + RSRs
Even with the x-pipes which make the RSRs fairly loud, I don't have any resonant droning in the cabin. OTOH, I noticed significant "droning noise" in the cabin for Fabspeed Supercups. Don't know about Fabspeed MaxFlo.
Regarding DME chipping, I have the Rennsport (Steve Weiner's) upgrade. No reporgramming was necessary changing to diff mufflers and even when I changed to the x-pipes. It did take a while for the DME to adjust the idling though, after I put the x-pipes on.
- OE Motor Sound Pkg mufflers
- GHL Loud
- and now DACH X-pipes + RSRs
Even with the x-pipes which make the RSRs fairly loud, I don't have any resonant droning in the cabin. OTOH, I noticed significant "droning noise" in the cabin for Fabspeed Supercups. Don't know about Fabspeed MaxFlo.
Regarding DME chipping, I have the Rennsport (Steve Weiner's) upgrade. No reporgramming was necessary changing to diff mufflers and even when I changed to the x-pipes. It did take a while for the DME to adjust the idling though, after I put the x-pipes on.
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Is this a characteristic of the 993 in general or of the 3rd party
pipes? Would reverting to a stock setup or RSR's make much difference?
pipes? Would reverting to a stock setup or RSR's make much difference?
None of the above irritating sounds with stock mufflers or with the RRs currently on the car.
note: Motorsound Airbox cover installed when running the three above muffler types- although the drilled airbox cover only seems to alter the engine sound at high throttle angle (close to WFO).
I would put $$ down that your drone will go away with either Rs or the original mufflers.
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Fabspeed Supercups drone from 2400-2800 rpm. Dunno about Fabspeed Maxflos. RSR's do not drone (ok, I think maybe 1 person per 30 buyers might say they drone, but the vast majority of us say there's no resonance with RSR's).
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p.s. if you have previous generation supercups, you may just need to renew the insulation on the removable baffles. Current gen supercups don't have removable baffles.
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In-car resonance can also be car dependent. In my previous 1996 Targa Tiptronic I had this issue in a major way with RSRs. I could not live with it. You can find my posts if you search my name. This is a different experience to most people with RSRs on this board but not all. I also had it to a much lesser degree with Rooks. I had no such issue whatsoever with the stock exhaust or with the Rufs, which I finally settled on. And, of all the mufflers I tried the Rufs were the loudest.