MarkD

That's it, I'm buying it.

Deal of the century.

jimwood

That's more like it.

Randy 1

Come on, Jim. We don't have the means to buy Porsches because we can't seperate risk from pricing!

As with anything, it's the stuff you don't know that cuts into the bottom line. If this thing is still rolling around on original shocks at 128K miles, you can safely surmise NOTHING has been changed. Thus, the "fear of the unknown" discount would skyrocket for me. If I could tell that this car's been beaten on like a rented mule (and by all accounts, it has been), then you have to know shocks, brakes and tilted guages aren't the only things wrong with it. As we all know, turning a $15,000 993 into a $40,000 993 is far more than $25,000 in headaches.

I think $15K was generous. I would have redefined the meaning of low-ball.

jimwood

Relax Randy, take a deep breath! It's going to be okay. I have a different opinion.

Mark in Baltimore

You have got to be kidding. No major problems? I call the suspension and engine very major in my book. Look up KBB and, with the details that I've noted, do your own comparison You'll see that $15,000 is not far off in the least. I listed the small details because I want other potential buyers to know of the problems, a quasi PPI if you will.

Let's see what Andreas and I tallied up:

-new shocks, labor, alignment-$2,500
-cv boots and joints-$1,000
-sunroof gasket-$200
-sunroof air deflector-$200
-spoiler wall-$70
-horn issue-easy fix
-leaking valve cover-$200
-window tint removal-$200
-melted rear bumper fascia-$500
-sloppy windshield gasket-$700 for new one but what other problems lurk?
-clicking door strap-$200
-paintwork-a day of labor to polish it up

Lessee, that comes to $5,700 and I haven't even talked about suspension bushings or the tired engine that will need refreshening. This is also asuming that the clutch won't let go at any moment. $15,000 was beyond generous.

That stuff you're smokin' must be damn good. Please go back and read what I wrote. Somewhere in there, the phrase rode hard and put away wet was used.

'Nuff said.

jimwood

I think your best argument is the engine.

You disappoint me if you can't change out your own brakes, shocks, valve cover gasket, etc., without having to pay for someone to do it for you. You race right? So I know you already have the tools and know how to do this. Why act like you don't?

The market will determine the price of this particular car, and every other car put up for sale and sold. I think the market will ultimately determine that the 15k was a couple grand low.

Seriously, what do the parts cost?

Randy 1

Oh, I'm easy. I, in turn, have another opinion, but mine is laced with incredulity. No harm, no foul.

ZombiePorsche44

With that suspension anyone who drove it on the track had some *****!

Randy 1

Wait wait wait, where do you get parts and labor to completely redo the suspension for $2,500?!! That's a pittance. Call it $3G's, easy.

jimwood

Why not 7 grand?

If you can't find a decent suspension for a daily driver and for $2500 you need to do more reading and less posting.

Bull

Another Rennlister asked for someone to look at a car for him in NJ in another thread. I volunteered, as I have done for several others, and we talked via PM, where I learned what car he was interested in and who was selling it. After I told him of examples of people who bought cars there (one ran for 3 weeks, then major overhaul time), and about their usual cars, he moved on and saved me the 30 mile drive to look at junk.

Sorry you went through this waste of time Mark and Andreas. Unfortunately, no surprise here at all.

95 C4 993

Considering there is a bid for $18,900 on Ebay, its now a $24k investment with all the work that needs to be done. If you were a car dealer and someone offered you $15k and someone else offered you $18,900, which offer would you take?

It appears that the market is demanding more for a car in that condition as it sits today. Bad for those wanting to buy, good for those selling.

DJF1

That is IF the poor soul that will save this car is mechanically inclined and will do most of the work himself... If he/she takes it to a dealer to repair the car the bill will more likely run well over 10G's and potentially another 8 for a top end rebuilt. So would you pay 40G's for a 130K+ car???

fast_freddy

The thing that I don't understand in many of the arguments here is that YOUR time is valuable too, is that right? So even if you do much of the work yourself it still is a substantial outlay of capital. Lets do a little simple math... Making $100k/year equals $50 hour (2000 hour work year). If you spent 150 hours working on this car you lose $7500 if it takes a mechanic 60% of the time you took to do the work that you would at $75 per hour that equals $6750 in labor alone, a savings of $750. This does not include the purchase of some new tools (and you know you will have too) nor the amortized cost of tools you might have already purchased. On all fronts this car is a losing proposition (but what car isn't?) unless is is substantially cheaper than $15k. If its to fulfill your passion of working on cars then thats much different. I personally enjoy making furniture. The cost of the raw timbre, the amortized cost of the insanely expensive tools plus my time is far more expensive then buying a custom handmade piece from an artisan. Simple repairs are one thing, complex ground up (as it sounds here) is a whole other ball-o-wax.

95 C4 993

Someone else thinks like me.

My passion is travel and vacation. As a matter of fact, the only DIY thing I enjoy is what I will be doing next week-swimming up to the swim up bar in Puerto Vallarta and ordering a cocktail. Also doing the lazy mans fishing charter and dont do jack but real them in!!