Who said 993 prices are going down?
08-14-2006, 01:44 AM
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Tricky, obviously. But, here goes: for a 993 in one of the most desirable years, 1996, 1997, or 1998, (sorry folks, but people do not want the 1995s as much), the definition(s) are approximately as follows.
Less than about 9,000 miles is TOO LOW. The cars seals, rubber parts, etc. have been allowed to wither and age. Unless you just want it to sit and look at it like the owner(s) before you, you don't buy this to drive.
Between 9,000 and 26,000 miles is nirvana, for most. Cherry, ultra-low mileage. Some might argue that the lower end of this is still too few.
From 26,000 to 40,000 is typical of a non-everyday driver. Low miles.
Over 40,000 is going to depend on condition, service records, location, etc. If you've just gotta have a Turbo and aren't made of money, you'll be looking just above this mark.
Over 50,000, for an otherwise obviously very well-maintained beauty begins to be higher mileage. The prices on ebay reflect this clearly (I've been watching them EVERY day for years).
Less than about 9,000 miles is TOO LOW. The cars seals, rubber parts, etc. have been allowed to wither and age. Unless you just want it to sit and look at it like the owner(s) before you, you don't buy this to drive.
Between 9,000 and 26,000 miles is nirvana, for most. Cherry, ultra-low mileage. Some might argue that the lower end of this is still too few.
From 26,000 to 40,000 is typical of a non-everyday driver. Low miles.
Over 40,000 is going to depend on condition, service records, location, etc. If you've just gotta have a Turbo and aren't made of money, you'll be looking just above this mark.
Over 50,000, for an otherwise obviously very well-maintained beauty begins to be higher mileage. The prices on ebay reflect this clearly (I've been watching them EVERY day for years).
08-14-2006, 02:54 AM
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Those of you with S cars valued in the 60's seem a bit extreme. My friend purchased his 96TT (turbo, not just an S) for I think it was $62k with about 40k miles, very pampered, excellent interior and excellent paint, full leather interior, rear seat delete, SUNROOF DELETE, lots of goodies as the PPI showed his car putting out like 494hp.
Many 993 turbos are showing up in the classifieds for under $70k.
Those dealers promising you at least $60k in your pocket are just trying to get you to sign the deal to let them have your car on consignment.
Although I'm searching (not at the moment actually, but it's on my mind still), I'm not just saying this for my benefit. Some of the quotes from the people in this thread are close to Turbo pricing.
Many 993 turbos are showing up in the classifieds for under $70k.
Those dealers promising you at least $60k in your pocket are just trying to get you to sign the deal to let them have your car on consignment.
Although I'm searching (not at the moment actually, but it's on my mind still), I'm not just saying this for my benefit. Some of the quotes from the people in this thread are close to Turbo pricing.
08-14-2006, 09:01 AM
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You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to think you are incorrect.
There are plently of people that would pay more for a C2S than for a turbo...this fact has been discussed before. Just because YOU would not doesn't mean others would agree with you. I am a perfect example...I would not consider a Turbo, no matter what the cost, but I would pay up for a pristine C2S.
The "dealer" in question is not only a Rennlist sponsor but a personal friend of mine giving me the straight story. This number is also backed up by the leading p-car broker in NE.
There are plently of people that would pay more for a C2S than for a turbo...this fact has been discussed before. Just because YOU would not doesn't mean others would agree with you. I am a perfect example...I would not consider a Turbo, no matter what the cost, but I would pay up for a pristine C2S.
The "dealer" in question is not only a Rennlist sponsor but a personal friend of mine giving me the straight story. This number is also backed up by the leading p-car broker in NE.
08-14-2006, 09:02 AM
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DesignerGenes, thanks for the breakdown. My '98 C2S had 57K miles on it when I got it, and it's now at 61 and change.
There's always a temptation to get a museum piece and maintain it as such, but deep down, I suspect I always wanted to drive the car, and drive it a lot. Same mentality goes for my guitars - in that arena, at least, wear and tear adds to the vintage appeal - and to the price.
There's always a temptation to get a museum piece and maintain it as such, but deep down, I suspect I always wanted to drive the car, and drive it a lot. Same mentality goes for my guitars - in that arena, at least, wear and tear adds to the vintage appeal - and to the price.
08-14-2006, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Ed Burdell
OK, time to open up another can of worms: Define "high mileage" in the context of our cars...
08-14-2006, 12:20 PM
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That provides a nice dividing line - anything less than average is relatively "low" mileage, while anything above is "high". Won't get into the difference between highway, stop and go, and track miles...
08-14-2006, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DesignerGenes
Tricky, obviously. But, here goes: for a 993 in one of the most desirable years, 1996, 1997, or 1998, (sorry folks, but people do not want the 1995s as much), the definition(s) are approximately as follows.
Less than about 9,000 miles is TOO LOW. The cars seals, rubber parts, etc. have been allowed to wither and age. Unless you just want it to sit and look at it like the owner(s) before you, you don't buy this to drive.
Between 9,000 and 26,000 miles is nirvana, for most. Cherry, ultra-low mileage. Some might argue that the lower end of this is still too few.
From 26,000 to 40,000 is typical of a non-everyday driver. Low miles.
Over 40,000 is going to depend on condition, service records, location, etc. If you've just gotta have a Turbo and aren't made of money, you'll be looking just above this mark.
Over 50,000, for an otherwise obviously very well-maintained beauty begins to be higher mileage. The prices on ebay reflect this clearly (I've been watching them EVERY day for years).
Less than about 9,000 miles is TOO LOW. The cars seals, rubber parts, etc. have been allowed to wither and age. Unless you just want it to sit and look at it like the owner(s) before you, you don't buy this to drive.
Between 9,000 and 26,000 miles is nirvana, for most. Cherry, ultra-low mileage. Some might argue that the lower end of this is still too few.
From 26,000 to 40,000 is typical of a non-everyday driver. Low miles.
Over 40,000 is going to depend on condition, service records, location, etc. If you've just gotta have a Turbo and aren't made of money, you'll be looking just above this mark.
Over 50,000, for an otherwise obviously very well-maintained beauty begins to be higher mileage. The prices on ebay reflect this clearly (I've been watching them EVERY day for years).
08-14-2006, 02:03 PM
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The real argument or debate on values of the 993's becomes when they get wrecked and an adjuster tells you what its worth according to the NADA, KBB, and Edmunds guides. There have been a few topics of conversation posted in the past about this happening.
I had my 77 Bronco Sport professionally appraised when I purchased it purely based on #1, its somewhat of a collectors car and #2, something happening to it and someone telling me my $15k+ 30 year old vehicle is worth $3500 according to some guide.
At the end of the day, I could really care less about the value of my 95 C4. If its holding its value, great. If its depreciating, fine. If a tree falls on it and the insurance company tells me its worth $23k, then I would be a little pissed.
I had my 77 Bronco Sport professionally appraised when I purchased it purely based on #1, its somewhat of a collectors car and #2, something happening to it and someone telling me my $15k+ 30 year old vehicle is worth $3500 according to some guide.
At the end of the day, I could really care less about the value of my 95 C4. If its holding its value, great. If its depreciating, fine. If a tree falls on it and the insurance company tells me its worth $23k, then I would be a little pissed.
08-14-2006, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by DesignerGenes
Tricky, obviously. But, here goes: for a 993 in one of the most desirable years, 1996, 1997, or 1998, (sorry folks, but people do not want the 1995s as much), the definition(s) are approximately as follows.
Less than about 9,000 miles is TOO LOW. The cars seals, rubber parts, etc. have been allowed to wither and age. Unless you just want it to sit and look at it like the owner(s) before you, you don't buy this to drive.
Between 9,000 and 26,000 miles is nirvana, for most. Cherry, ultra-low mileage. Some might argue that the lower end of this is still too few.
From 26,000 to 40,000 is typical of a non-everyday driver. Low miles.
Over 40,000 is going to depend on condition, service records, location, etc. If you've just gotta have a Turbo and aren't made of money, you'll be looking just above this mark.
Over 50,000, for an otherwise obviously very well-maintained beauty begins to be higher mileage. The prices on ebay reflect this clearly (I've been watching them EVERY day for years).
Less than about 9,000 miles is TOO LOW. The cars seals, rubber parts, etc. have been allowed to wither and age. Unless you just want it to sit and look at it like the owner(s) before you, you don't buy this to drive.
Between 9,000 and 26,000 miles is nirvana, for most. Cherry, ultra-low mileage. Some might argue that the lower end of this is still too few.
From 26,000 to 40,000 is typical of a non-everyday driver. Low miles.
Over 40,000 is going to depend on condition, service records, location, etc. If you've just gotta have a Turbo and aren't made of money, you'll be looking just above this mark.
Over 50,000, for an otherwise obviously very well-maintained beauty begins to be higher mileage. The prices on ebay reflect this clearly (I've been watching them EVERY day for years).
08-14-2006, 02:38 PM
#56
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Originally Posted by mborkow
what about us that have ecplipsed the century mark; what are we? uber-high mileage!?
