993 vs 964...your thoughts
06-09-2006, 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Jack of Hearts
1. 964s are undervalued in the market right now
06-09-2006, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Jack of Hearts
3. While a bit of an evolution from the first 911s, the 993 is the last that retains most of the classic shape and air cooling, together with valuable things like a far superior suspension and 6 speed.
Like I said weighing the pros and cons.
However, it has highly reliable fuel injection, air conditioning that (sort of) works and a tail that doesn't try to to pass the nose in hairy hairpins.
A jury of normal humans would vote the 993 the better-looking shape.
06-09-2006, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by sidned
First hand and through lots of reasearch before I bought one. When I took the undertray off, there was so much oil it was unreal! I can see why it's referred to as a drip-tray!
To be fair, the previous owner had tried to bodge a fix with the notorious oil pipe and it had caused oil to slowly drip over time. I paid (over £1000) to have these lines replaced and never had a problem since.
As I said, I loved my 964 when I had it and would defend it furiously. It's a great car and I still miss the classic two front wings shape as you look out of the windscreen.
To be fair, the previous owner had tried to bodge a fix with the notorious oil pipe and it had caused oil to slowly drip over time. I paid (over £1000) to have these lines replaced and never had a problem since.
As I said, I loved my 964 when I had it and would defend it furiously. It's a great car and I still miss the classic two front wings shape as you look out of the windscreen.
06-09-2006, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by hawk993
you guys are a bunch of frickin idiots...
my Dad can beat up your Dad...lol......
Someone should kill this thread
my Dad can beat up your Dad...lol......
Someone should kill this thread
06-09-2006, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by cobalt
Yes the A/c is better but not drastically.
06-12-2006, 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by turbo138
My wife gave birth to a baby boy in January this year, so I sold my 930 as I need to move to a family saloon car. I told myself we had enough fun with the Porsche which I owned for 6 years. I booked a BMW 5 series, got home, removed all the Porsche pic from my PC screensaver & replaced with BMW pic, sent farewell email to all my Porsche friends.
One of them replied saying that I made a very stupid move, many Porsche owners did the same & they all came back with another Porsche.
I told my wife that we should consider a 964 which is very aforadable & buy another family car.
So we went to see a Midnight blue 964, was very happy with it's condition.
We was told of a 993 for sale, maybe we should take a look before deciding.
Moral of the story here,
Once you own a Porsche, you cant live without one.
Never compare 964 & 993, you will end up buying 993 like me !!!
One of them replied saying that I made a very stupid move, many Porsche owners did the same & they all came back with another Porsche.
I told my wife that we should consider a 964 which is very aforadable & buy another family car.
So we went to see a Midnight blue 964, was very happy with it's condition.
We was told of a 993 for sale, maybe we should take a look before deciding.
Moral of the story here,
Once you own a Porsche, you cant live without one.
Never compare 964 & 993, you will end up buying 993 like me !!!
you are killing me man!!!!! I just did about the exact same thing- and my farewell rennlist posting went out yesterday. But my porsche pictures are still on my wall and rennlist is still in my favorites. (Heck, I'm replying to this even!)
I read this and feel like deja vu all over.
But wait... all this talk about a 964 which is so obviously a ~cheaper~ way to get another porsche back in my garage... yes, that's an option... hmm.... the wife's car could park outside... ya... that might work.... no im not addicted... really... no...
<slaps himself back to reality>
-jeff
06-12-2006, 05:24 PM
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Thanks mborkow for the invite to chime in from the 964 board. I've always considered a switch from 964 to 993 purely cosmetic. The '96 I drove felt the same as my stock 964 as far as power and unless you're going to the track I doubt the upgraded 993 rear suspension is going to be noticed. That said, the 993 is gorgeous and when I see an S I just stare and stare. It's too bad they didn't make a 2WD widebody 964.
The sloped headlights don't bother me but the 993 bumperettes are even uglier than the 964 ones and are much more expensive to eliminate. But if we're talking about a 993 with a turbo bumper, bumperette delete, and clear corners then I'll take the 993.
I prefer the sound of the 964 although I've heard some modified sweet-sounding 993s on this site and I love the look of dual exhaust. The 993 is definitely more civilized which will appeal to some, not to others (me included).
The 89, 90, and 91 models are a great bargain in the used 911 market and cars can be had for $20K and less. Most of these should have had their oil leaks (if they even had them) fixed by now. The 92, 93, and 94 models seem to be appreciating due to lower numbers and are approaching the early 993s in value. As far as problems, the 993 SAI and valve guide problems probably equal the 964 head gasket and DMF failures. I do like the idea of not having to do valve adjustments although I didn't know about the 993 items having to be replaced so early.
I'd tell someone shopping to get the car they think looks the best because the mechanical upgrades are minimal. And comparing an RSA to a 993...apples and oranges.
c
Oh yeah...sure, the 964 era was the worst in Porsche's financial history and the 993 sold well but I doubt it saved the brand. That distinction goes to the Boxster.
The sloped headlights don't bother me but the 993 bumperettes are even uglier than the 964 ones and are much more expensive to eliminate. But if we're talking about a 993 with a turbo bumper, bumperette delete, and clear corners then I'll take the 993.
I prefer the sound of the 964 although I've heard some modified sweet-sounding 993s on this site and I love the look of dual exhaust. The 993 is definitely more civilized which will appeal to some, not to others (me included).
The 89, 90, and 91 models are a great bargain in the used 911 market and cars can be had for $20K and less. Most of these should have had their oil leaks (if they even had them) fixed by now. The 92, 93, and 94 models seem to be appreciating due to lower numbers and are approaching the early 993s in value. As far as problems, the 993 SAI and valve guide problems probably equal the 964 head gasket and DMF failures. I do like the idea of not having to do valve adjustments although I didn't know about the 993 items having to be replaced so early.
I'd tell someone shopping to get the car they think looks the best because the mechanical upgrades are minimal. And comparing an RSA to a 993...apples and oranges.
c
Oh yeah...sure, the 964 era was the worst in Porsche's financial history and the 993 sold well but I doubt it saved the brand. That distinction goes to the Boxster.
06-12-2006, 06:26 PM
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the 993 sold well but I doubt it saved the brand
06-12-2006, 09:09 PM
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My 993 can beat your 964...nah nah nah nah...!
BTW, I'm just kidding, just like earlier when I said the 964 sucks, it was tongue and cheek...if you look back earlier in this thread I tried to reason with you folks. These types of threads are just fueling the fire. Everytime someone post a "which car is better" thread, it starts the same old crap, just like the 993 folks going to the 996 forum and posting "which car is better a 993 or a 996" or vice versa...these threads are largely Bull **** and inflammatory and seldom contain any useful information on the actual cars. I believe most people posting these threads are just trying to stir stuff up, and they do it quite well. Rennlist is full of this type of stuff, which car is better...the M3 or the 993, the 996 or the 993, the Cayman is fastest car in the world!!!!!!...blah blah blah...
NOW...LET'S GET READY TO RUUUMMMMMBBBBLLLLLEEEEEE......
BTW, I'm just kidding, just like earlier when I said the 964 sucks, it was tongue and cheek...if you look back earlier in this thread I tried to reason with you folks. These types of threads are just fueling the fire. Everytime someone post a "which car is better" thread, it starts the same old crap, just like the 993 folks going to the 996 forum and posting "which car is better a 993 or a 996" or vice versa...these threads are largely Bull **** and inflammatory and seldom contain any useful information on the actual cars. I believe most people posting these threads are just trying to stir stuff up, and they do it quite well. Rennlist is full of this type of stuff, which car is better...the M3 or the 993, the 996 or the 993, the Cayman is fastest car in the world!!!!!!...blah blah blah...
NOW...LET'S GET READY TO RUUUMMMMMBBBBLLLLLEEEEEE......
06-14-2006, 05:12 AM
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Can someone point me to the article or data that claims early in the thread that a stock 993 with a/c etc was quicker round the nurburgring than a 1992 964 RS. I would like to see the article. It was'nt a Porsche 993 press release buy any chance?
06-14-2006, 09:06 AM
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964 are great cars!! A lot of car for too little money!! It is nice to have a mixture between the old shape and new technologies and so on… I also love the older cars back to the 356.
But we cannot deny that the 993 is a better car. The 964 looks like an unfinished project when compared to the 993. It looks like someone was in a hurry to finish the car and released as it was. The 993 is flawless and better than all air-cooled cars produced before.
The real problem is when we compare it with the 996 – I think this is the ugliest 911 ever done by the factory… not to mention the problems with the engine… The 997 looks better but it is not a sports car as the old style cars used to be. They became big cars!
That is my opinion!
Freddy
But we cannot deny that the 993 is a better car. The 964 looks like an unfinished project when compared to the 993. It looks like someone was in a hurry to finish the car and released as it was. The 993 is flawless and better than all air-cooled cars produced before.
The real problem is when we compare it with the 996 – I think this is the ugliest 911 ever done by the factory… not to mention the problems with the engine… The 997 looks better but it is not a sports car as the old style cars used to be. They became big cars!
That is my opinion!
Freddy