Acropora

Less than a year old, for 993's, in excellent shape. $1500.

InTheAir

What's the story, Brad? What are you moving to?

Howdy from another Michigander.

Acropora

Mo-mo-mo-motons, 500/700 springs per SteveW at rennsport systems.

Mark in Baltimore

You're gonna love the Motons. I've been a happy camper.

scat

Whats the deal with the Motons? I see them mentioned often right now.
Are they the new kid on the block or they ve been around for a while?
I heard they are priced more agressively than pss9 but are they better?
Adrian S.

TheOtherEric

Motons are remote reservoir shocks made for racing. So they're better than PSS9 for dedicated track cars, but not really appropriate for the street due to higher spring rates and attention required of the system. Plus they cost like $4k? $5k?

scat

That clarifies it.Thank you Eric.

Mark in Baltimore

Motons are a full-on, remote reservoir coil-over with adjustable compression and rebound for the clubsports, double, triple or quadruple adjustable for the motorsport ones, low speed compression being another way to tune (or really eff up) your car.<isthisarunonsentence? Anyway, they're actually fairly comfy on the street but the addition of camber plates and monoballs usually makes for a less-compliant experience.

http://www.motonsuspension.com/

Rob 97 993c2

do Motons require lots of adjustment once they are installed and the car is aligned?

viperbob

To get the most out of the shocks Rob they do require some adjustment. You are able to adjust the bump and rebound seperately. Then you have the nitrogen pressure which also helps you tune the shock (which means you need high pressure nitrogen available). This comes in handy depending upon the type of track you are on. With the Motons, you can REALLY feel the difference with just a single click change in the adjustments. But unless you really know the dynamics of your car, getting too many adjustments can make you car handle worse if not setup properly. So sort of a double edged sword. They can easily give you several seconds a lap a various tracks when setup properly. Or you could be going slower if not setup.

Mark in Baltimore

They will definitely screw you up if you:

1) choose the wrong spring set-up;
2) choose the wrong nitrogen pressure in general;
3) choose the wrong nitrogen pressure front-to-rear;
4) choose the wrong front compression settings;
5) choose the wrong rear compression settings;
6) choose the wrong front rebound settings;
7) choose the wrong rear rebound settings;
8) choose the wrong front high speed compression settings, if applicable;
9) choose the wrong front low speed compression settings, if applicable;
10) choose the wrong rear high speed compression settings, if applicable;
11) choose the wrong rear low speed compression settings, if applicable;
12) choose the wrong front high speed rebound settings, if applicable;
13) choose the wrong front low speed rebound settings, if applicable;
14) choose the wrong rear high speed rebound settings, if applicable;
15) choose the wrong rear low speed rebound settings, if applicable;
16) choose the wrong tire pressures;
17) are not unfailingly **** about recording everything you do to your car's total adjustability ie alignment settings, tire pressures and temps, sway bar settings, ambient temperature, etc, etc;
18) are not fairly consistent with your driving.

That said, after many, many days of track driving to set up the car, I've managed to bring it to a point where it feels really good to me and where I've shaved off 1-4 seconds off of my lap times, depending on the track.

Martin S.

is a great argument for a set of Bilstein HDs. Too many variables for those Motons for my pea brain! But for those that know how to exploit their adjustability, they are reported to be incredible!

Rob 97 993c2

my question is more of: assuming motons are set up well by someone good (e.g. Vipor bob, etc), do they stay that way? As i dont have a shop, and at the bottom of the DIY scale, I cant have a suspension that frequently get out of settings/alignment b/c i dont drive enough and dont have access to tweak.

I ask b/c i dont think the pss9 is sprung high enough for my heavy turbo on the track.

TheOtherEric

I don't really think it would be a prudent philosphy to have somebody adjust your car for you once then you drive it like that indefinitely. I think it's fair to say that if you don't have the experience OR time & patience to adjust Motons yourself, then they're not right for you. Sounds like there are better options for you. H&R and JIC both have single-adjustable setups stiffer than PSS9. Just my $0.02

Mark in Baltimore

I completely agree with Eric. Although my settings haven't come adrift, nor have I had any spinning **** issues, you really need to put the time in to make this suspension work for your car's characteristics, your tire choice and your driving style. I've had friends who bought adjustable shocks and had the mechanic set them up, but the mechanic's settings are a rough guideline and starting point. These are complicated systems that can be screwed up very easily by twisting the ***** the wrong way (ask me how I know). I am far from a suspension guru, but, allegedly, one of the reasons PCA allows remote res coilovers in stock classes of club racing is because perhaps the scruts and rulesmakers know that these items can actually make you go slower if you don't make the correct choices and put the time in to dial in your car.