Any downside to a C4?
02-07-2006, 01:07 PM
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Another factor is weather.
In the north of Scotland the weather dictates that a C4 is quicker point to point than a C2, and often alot more useable and accessible. On Scotland's sunny day (I think there was only 1 last year!) the C2 may have the advantage with it's slightly more feelsome steering.
Both have excellent traction and to my surprise the C4 is very tail happy for a 4wd car (especially so when compared with a 964 C4)
I have also discovered that a clutch job on a C2 is about £600 and about £1200 on a C4 due to the need to remove the engine and gearbox in the latter.
However, if it's a good un then buy it. I too went looking for a "good" 993 and was not too bothered whether it was a good C2 or a good C4. Of course, whichever you buy there will still be post purchase ruminations of buying the other
In the north of Scotland the weather dictates that a C4 is quicker point to point than a C2, and often alot more useable and accessible. On Scotland's sunny day (I think there was only 1 last year!) the C2 may have the advantage with it's slightly more feelsome steering.
Both have excellent traction and to my surprise the C4 is very tail happy for a 4wd car (especially so when compared with a 964 C4)
I have also discovered that a clutch job on a C2 is about £600 and about £1200 on a C4 due to the need to remove the engine and gearbox in the latter.
However, if it's a good un then buy it. I too went looking for a "good" 993 and was not too bothered whether it was a good C2 or a good C4. Of course, whichever you buy there will still be post purchase ruminations of buying the other
02-07-2006, 01:24 PM
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Car condition and availblility any more on 10-year old (approx.) vehicles is more important than 2- vs 4-wheel drive. Buy the best condition car you can find.
02-07-2006, 01:37 PM
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Yes. The S denotes the use of the turbo body (bit wider at the back, same at the front unlike earlier turbo versions of earlier models) which had turbo brakes and suspension (hence the red painted brakes (or "Big Reds")). So effectively the S was a turbo without the turbo. Both standard and S models came in C2 and C4 flavours.
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David
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02-07-2006, 01:39 PM
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Sorry I forgot to mention that to confuse you further my narrow body car has a turbo/ S nose cone (they are interchangeable between narrow and wide-bodied cars).
02-07-2006, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by notbostrom
ok, now i'm more confused... from 95-98 were there C2's AND a C2S's ?
There were NO widebody S cars made for the US in 1995.
The C4S widebody was avaialbe from 96-98
The C2S widebody was available in 97/98 only.
Additionally, the C2S did not come standard with Big Red Brakes or 18inch rim/tire package. These were option up items. They were, however, standard on the C4S.
Helpful link on 993 models and nomenclature:
http://vista.pca.org/stl/993.htm
I think if you plan on using your 993 as a daily driver the C4 will come in handy when it rains. The car just sticks. There is definitely the chance for more maintenance on the C4..ie: drive shaft snapping, viscous coupler stripping etc.
but they appear to be holding up well from experience with others on the board.
As far as speed and weight ? Unless you have a C2(s) on the side of you and you're playing with one another...who cares. The difference is negligible and the better driver will come out ahead regardless of the car you are in.
02-07-2006, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by notbostrom
... I'm curious how the low price of the Cayman will affect the 993's
They're like $65k with decent options. Way too high for what you get!
02-07-2006, 02:28 PM
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I'll preface this by saying that I have been known to be wrong at least once before........lol
In 1995, only narrow body C2 & C4's were available with no S model.
In 1996 the C4's became wide bodies and the C2 &C4 were available in the S trim (wide body) with the big red brakes & a few suspension upgrades.
In 1998 all that was available were wide body cars whether it be a C2 Or C4 till the end of production.
I have driven both cars on many tracks & have never felt the C4 to be quite as quick at tracks like Willow Springs & Laguna Seca which is probably due to the extra weight and a slightly different balance between the two cars.
At Auto-x's, I think the C4 does a bit better getting the power down on really low speed sharp corners where the C2 needs a more gentle throttle input on the same type corner.
I refer to stock cars with no major suspension upgrades, as a well set up C4 will blister a stock C2 at damn near any track with the same driver, but keep in mind that a C2 with a trick suspension set up will do the same thing to a stock C4. This is what they call six of one thing or a half dozen of the other.
If I lived in Seattle I would buy a C4, but since I live in sunny San Diego, a C2 is definately a better car for many reasons including being less complex and the ability to do a clutch & flywheel without dropping the engine (minimum 6-8 hrs extra labor).
Both are excellent cars and you cannot go wrong with almost any 911 as your personal sports car, so find a good one and then spend plenty of time learning to drive it (DE's & Auto-X's) or we may see it on Wrecked Exotics.com
What it comes down to is a matter of your physical location, personal preference & what is available when you are in your buying cycle.
Good Luck & Good Hunting.......................
ZP44
In 1995, only narrow body C2 & C4's were available with no S model.
In 1996 the C4's became wide bodies and the C2 &C4 were available in the S trim (wide body) with the big red brakes & a few suspension upgrades.
In 1998 all that was available were wide body cars whether it be a C2 Or C4 till the end of production.
I have driven both cars on many tracks & have never felt the C4 to be quite as quick at tracks like Willow Springs & Laguna Seca which is probably due to the extra weight and a slightly different balance between the two cars.
At Auto-x's, I think the C4 does a bit better getting the power down on really low speed sharp corners where the C2 needs a more gentle throttle input on the same type corner.
I refer to stock cars with no major suspension upgrades, as a well set up C4 will blister a stock C2 at damn near any track with the same driver, but keep in mind that a C2 with a trick suspension set up will do the same thing to a stock C4. This is what they call six of one thing or a half dozen of the other.
If I lived in Seattle I would buy a C4, but since I live in sunny San Diego, a C2 is definately a better car for many reasons including being less complex and the ability to do a clutch & flywheel without dropping the engine (minimum 6-8 hrs extra labor).
Both are excellent cars and you cannot go wrong with almost any 911 as your personal sports car, so find a good one and then spend plenty of time learning to drive it (DE's & Auto-X's) or we may see it on Wrecked Exotics.com
What it comes down to is a matter of your physical location, personal preference & what is available when you are in your buying cycle.
Good Luck & Good Hunting.......................
ZP44
02-07-2006, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by notbostrom
so has anyone seen 993 prices actualy going up yet. I haven't seen an upward trend and I'm curious how the low price of the Cayman will affect the 993's
IMO, Cayman pricing will have NO bearing on 993 prices. To be honest, I think the NEW Porsche owner(Cayman buyer) couldn't even tell you what a 993 is. Different topic of discussion altogether though.
I paid $48.9k for my 4S 3 years ago. I'd think I could get $40k for it today. Taking the $8900 hit over 36 months and that works out to under $250 a month motoring.
You can't find another car on the planet that offers that fun factor/pricing model.
Go get your 993 my friend and enjoy !!!
