Alon

You wouldn't re-gear if you had to do it again? I'm surprised to hear that. My feelings are that the gearing is very "lazy" from 3rd onward.

Is it that expensive (parts-wise) for RS gears?

Pedro356C

I'd second Flying Finn's opinion...

Hey FastMaz...great avatar!!! Is it narrow body or "S" ????

f_scaife

Did everyone read the article in this month's Excellence about the red super charged 993. It sounds like a real screamer, DROOOOOLLL

Jim Morton

How ' bout" "None of the above"...

IMHO, I would do a re-gear or a G50/21 LSD (ROW trans) and work on getting the suspension working and have two sets of wheels / tires (street and track). On the suspension, this does not necessarily mean PSS-9 or Motons, as I think it is far more important to simply have the suspension in proper owkring order wth good alignment and corner balance for the "*** heavy" 911.

I think the 993 stock has plenty of torque / power to make a for a good track experience. The 2-3 gear split on the US trans is a bit wide for high perf driving and having a good gear to pull at various track type sppeds / conditions can be had with the G50/21. I suppse that if my car had 50K+ miles, I would also do the single mass flywheel and RS clutch, but I consider this more a maintance upgrade, than perfromance thing. Here again, simply my $0.02.

Hope this helps.

kary993

I would ask this question. How many people really need more horsepower in their 993 for a street/DE car and can you use it effectively? I have been running my car on some sort of off road competitive event since it was new in 1997. Each year I learn something new about the car in terms of capability and my own driving skill. It has only come recently that I would like to have more horsepower which has come after completely redoing the suspension (twice), adding aerodynamics, reducing weight, and numerous other modifications. I am still runnning the exact stock 3.6 engine and tranny all this time. I believe my want for more horsepower might be related to the need to freshen up the motor, though it competes well with other 993's so it might just be I have become acustom to my 993. I can still scare myself on almost any track in a competitive setting and have been able to find more time on tracks each time I go to the track. For street driving I cannot use any of the capabilities of my 993 safely so that is a non-issue and is effecitvely wasted for street use. Which is very much my point and oringal question, what more do you really need from a 993 that is streeted and DE'ed occassionally?

black993man

Interesting... so the consensus so far seems to be that the best dual purpose "power upgrade" bang-for-the-buck is actually re-gearing to account for the wide spacing of 2nd to 3rd. This makes a lot of sense... particularly here at PIR where I've found 3rd to be just way too tall and pokey on exit while 2nd is too short.

As for the admonitions about spending more time learning how to drive better, improving track skills, etc., etc. that's really rather a red herring in this discussion isn't it???? Of course it goes without saying that ANYONE can benefit from more seat time and perfecting their technique irrespective of their current level of equipment, experience, and ambitions. But let me offer a counterargument. As one's ability improves in the DE environment one increasingly finds themself stuck in the no-pass twisties behind someone with plenty of power to pull away in the straights only to reel them back in at the next turn (better setup on turn exit only goes so far after all). While a minor annoyance at most, I'm sure many have wished for a few more ponies from time to time. Nothing wrong with that in my book.

P.S. Maz... why am I not surprised that avatar belonged to you! Ha... I love it!

Edward

Hi Chris,

I have to disagree wholeheartedly that "spending more time learning how to drive better, improving track skills, etc." is any kind of red herring. Your thread asks about the "best power upgrade" ...well the "best" single upgrade is the driver. No hyperbole or cliche there. Forgive me if this is not what you want to hear, but this is an opinion that some here believe, myself included, and it is no red herring. An "opinion" yes, but a valid one, nevertheless. Feel free to disagree, but it still offers one possible "answer" to your query.

Edward

black993man

Edward,

I don't disagree at all. But I was asking about ENGINE upgrades not DRIVER upgrades. FWIW, after many seasons of DE seat time I'm not ignoring that aspect either as I'm always looking for ways to improve and hope to attend a Skip Barber in the near future. Now hopefully that's the last of the lectures on this thread! ;-)

Texas993

Hey Chris, as you no doubt know... the expert on regearing is Steve Weiner, right in your backyard. Lucky you, dawg.

Edward

Hi Chris,

Cool. Now that that's clear, I'd go with regearing and LWF, as well.
And then lightening the car as much as you can tolerate (tolerate the inconvenience that one invariably gets from putting a street car on a diet, that is).

Personally, I'd stay out of the engine ...horrible HP/Dollar ratio there for our cars, IMHO.

Edward

black993man

Good inputs from all.... surprised not to see much advocacy for the supercharger route though. As Fred pointed out, the red screamer in this month's Excellence seemed to be a sweet piece of machinery. Though at $50k invested it makes me think the more rational approach remains a 993TT upgrade at some point. Perhaps I'll remain content with what I've done on suspension/seat/safety/brake mods and quit the madness after an eventual re-gear and LWFW for a while. Sounds like a chat with Steve is in order...

Glen

Just do the TT conversion, relatively inexpensive and very very easy to do. Did one myself with the help of 2 friends at my home. Here is the engine if You need one.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...EWA%3AIT&rd=1;

Forgot to add, just leave Your gears alone with the TT, the NA box ends up being almost perfect with the TT. Sell Your motor for 8-10k and You're done.

BIG-BRO

The driver experience blends right into the conversation on regearing as well.... I had been coming out of turns in 3rd and just not had enough revs to have the "oomph", but have improved that with NO changes to the car...if you carry more speed through the turn based on experience then you are in a better power band. $0 spent on car. Sure, more power is always good, but it's more the driver than the car. Last event I was passing Turbo's, but a 914 can still pass me with experienced driver...

I've gotten hooked on this D.E. stuff, which I did not plan on doing with the nice black C4S, and I hesitate to start adding rollbar/harnesses/etc and risk it on the track.... so my solution this month was to buy a track car. 1993 RS America and enclosed trailer added to the driveway. Oh, does that mean I have to start reading Forums other than just the 993.......

Mongo

I don't have a 993 but I guess it wouldn't hurt to mention that it'd be a nice upgrade sound wise to throw a motorsound airbox lid and a set of Fabspeed supercup bypass pipes on your car. It would really hype your adrenaline and enthusiasm up around the track too

Tom W

To regear the car and add the RS clutch/LWF will run in the neighborhood of $12k. That does not include steel synchros which would add another $3k or so.

I was seduced by all the chatter on Rennlist a few years ago about how wonderful the gears and LWF are. Well, a few years later I agree that they are a nice improvement. However, they will not make you faster on the track if you are a novice driver. I don't think they will make any significant difference until you've got 30+ days of DE under your belt and you have updated your suspension too. I've seen plenty of 993s get passed by spec Miatas or cars with a lot less hp with the main differences being driver skill and suspension. Hell, I've passed 993 tt's or had better lap times at DEs in my putt-putt 964. It isn't (all) about the hp.

I'd take all the money you might pour into the NA car in search of more power and buy a tt. By the time you pay for gears, LWF, suspension and other goodies you are very close to the differential cost of just getting a tt. Even then I think there is a lot to be gained from learnig to drive in the NA car and then switching to a car with more power. And hell, if money isn't an issue as the ability to afford gear changes, etc implies, just get a GT3. KNowing what I do now, it's what I would do.