Dreaded clogged SAI
#16
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#18
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Originally Posted by lowblow
Wow, only 27K miles. When I purchased my 96 with 57K miles I wasn't sure I did the right thing. But over a year later everything is still great.
This, (in my mind), is proof positive that it harms these cars to just sit.
Mike
This, (in my mind), is proof positive that it harms these cars to just sit.
Mike
I vote for attempting to give it an extended italian tune up. Drive that car hard for a couple of weeks.
At 27k I would not rebuild.
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I would get second opinion if it is really a SAI problem. If you cannot find a good mechanic recommendaton from the board in your area - contact your local PCA tech / President and get his/her opinion where to go. Also contact PO and determine where car was serviced, and where you had your PPI. Get as much history about car as possible. It is very unusual with 27K orginal miles.
If it was me, I would put a bottle of Techron or BG-44 with tank of gas, and redo again the second time while driving car hard after it is warmed up. . Than have car checked for OBD11 codes.
I would not disregard the light by putting tape over light, or pulling bulb. If you do see the CEL light flashing, I would than become concerned and have it looked at quickly.
Let us know. Good luck.
If it was me, I would put a bottle of Techron or BG-44 with tank of gas, and redo again the second time while driving car hard after it is warmed up. . Than have car checked for OBD11 codes.
I would not disregard the light by putting tape over light, or pulling bulb. If you do see the CEL light flashing, I would than become concerned and have it looked at quickly.
Let us know. Good luck.
#20
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Originally Posted by dmcentee
In Missouri a used car that is sold 'As is' with no warranty does not appear to qualify under the lemon law.
#21
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I can't imagine disconnecting the CEL. It's there to tell you to check that your $10,000 engine is OK.
But at 27K, I have a hard time believing an SAI code is more than some gunk that could be cleaned out with some of the less intrusive and less expensive methods described. Try some Techron or Ventil Sauber first, then the flush methods before dropping $5k to have someone take the engine apart.
But at 27K, I have a hard time believing an SAI code is more than some gunk that could be cleaned out with some of the less intrusive and less expensive methods described. Try some Techron or Ventil Sauber first, then the flush methods before dropping $5k to have someone take the engine apart.
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I can't imagine disconnecting the CEL. It's there to tell you to check that your $10,000 engine is OK
I've been told some people who convert their cars for track use remove the bulb .
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Originally Posted by Dr. No
I can't imagine disconnecting the CEL. It's there to tell you to check that your $10,000 engine is OK.
But at 27K, I have a hard time believing an SAI code is more than some gunk that could be cleaned out with some of the less intrusive and less expensive methods described. Try some Techron or Ventil Sauber first, then the flush methods before dropping $5k to have someone take the engine apart.
But at 27K, I have a hard time believing an SAI code is more than some gunk that could be cleaned out with some of the less intrusive and less expensive methods described. Try some Techron or Ventil Sauber first, then the flush methods before dropping $5k to have someone take the engine apart.
Steve W could chime in and agree I think.
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Originally Posted by jimwood
I agree Mike. But in all fairness, we do have arena red cars, which are known to be the most reliable.
I vote for attempting to give it an extended italian tune up. Drive that car hard for a couple of weeks.
At 27k I would not rebuild.
I vote for attempting to give it an extended italian tune up. Drive that car hard for a couple of weeks.
At 27k I would not rebuild.
#25
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I bought an very inexpensive laptop-ready unit from Laplogger(www.laplogger.com). (no affiliation.........). It's about $60. Can read/reset ODBII codes. Also used it successfully to verify that all the readiness codes were "ready" before going in for emissions testing.
#26
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Originally Posted by 97Targa
IIRC, it's been previously established that no amount of "italian tune up" will resolve a SAI problem.
#27
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Originally Posted by Ron
Is the CEL really tell you your engine is ok or does it tell you it's emissons are within the parameters programmed in the computer.
I've been told some people who convert their cars for track use remove the bulb .
I've been told some people who convert their cars for track use remove the bulb .
I'm pretty sure the light will go on for many reasons, other than clogged SAI ports, that you'd want to know about right away, like "HEY, SOMETHING HAPPENED AND YOU'RE RUNNING OUT OF OIL". But I'm not a wrench, I just play one on Rennlist, and I realize there is a reason they call it an "idiot light".
#28
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Originally Posted by Dr. No
I'm pretty sure the light will go on for many reasons, other than clogged SAI ports, that you'd want to know about right away, like "HEY, SOMETHING HAPPENED AND YOU'RE RUNNING OUT OF OIL". But I'm not a wrench, I just play one on Rennlist, and I realize there is a reason they call it an "idiot light".
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I'm pretty sure the light will go on for many reasons
I guess the real question is if you maintain your car and can recognize that something is not working right you could diagnosis it like we used to do before CEL and fix it. I am not a professional mechcanic so I don't know for sure how important it is to have the CEL able to illuminate if there is a fault.
Here's an alternative to those that don't like the idea of the CEL bulb being removed. Remove the bulb and pull the codes every few days you drive the car with one of the inexpensive code readers and see if you have anything besides the SAI issue.
If I was dmcentee and my car ran perfectly, did not burn undo amount of oil I'd remove the bulb after trying to flush the ports if that did not clear the code.
#30
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The CEL does not even function on normally aspirated UK cars. If it was to indicate a major problem, surely UK cars would need the light too. Turbo cars, however, have this light working.
It looks like it's function is to keep you in line with your stringent emission laws.
It looks like it's function is to keep you in line with your stringent emission laws.