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Old Aug 29, 2001 | 04:55 PM
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Hi all.

Beginning to wonder if my clutch is going (993).

Putting the total distance of clutch pedal travel on scale, let's call fully depressed to the floor "0" and fully out/released "10".

I'd say my clutch doesn't begin to engage until about "5"...roughly the midpoint.

Thoughts, comparisons, and ideas? Thanks.
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Old Aug 29, 2001 | 07:00 PM
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have 96 993 w/44K miles. the clutch, on a flat garage floor will start to move the car when I release the clutch, with engine idleing, at 1/4 way up. I guess its 3 to 4 on your gage. However, on the road, the car really will not start to move at speed, in first gear, until I release the clutch about 1/3 to 1/2 way point. Seems strange doesn't it? 2nd gear is engages at 1/2 way point.

This car have a clutch R&R 20K miles ago. from what I have heard, when the fly wheel is resurfaced the clutch engaging point will be higher - peddle travel. I wonder if this is true. anyone? Steve W.?

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Old Aug 29, 2001 | 07:04 PM
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have 96 993 w/44K miles. the clutch, on a flat garage floor will start to move the car when I release the clutch, with engine idleing, at 1/4 way up. I guess its 3 to 4 on your gage. However, on the road, the car really will not start to move at speed, in first gear, until I release the clutch about 1/3 to 1/2 way point. Seems strange doesn't it? 2nd gear is engages at 1/2 way point.

This car have a clutch R&R 20K miles ago. from what I have heard, when the fly wheel is resurfaced the clutch engaging point will be higher - peddle travel. I wonder if this is true. anyone? Steve W.?

George
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Old Aug 29, 2001 | 09:23 PM
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What gives you reason to worry? Is pedal travel different than it was before? From what I have experineced on hydraulically actuated clutches, the pedal movement doesn't really change due to clutch plate wear.
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Old Aug 29, 2001 | 10:04 PM
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Ray-

Got to thinking about it after I drove a friend's Boxster...the clutch in which engages much sooner.

Wouldn't say there' been any change in mine though, so will not sweat it.

Thanks.
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Old Aug 29, 2001 | 10:28 PM
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Chris,

If you haven't already done it, I'd also check the Pentosin level in both the engine bay (right rear side in front of oil intake) and the trunk (left front under the carpet near the windshield).

My clutch was getting a bit soft last week, and sure enough, the fluid was just a bit low - in the engine bay only. Adding Pentosin has made the clutch feel good as new again.

Good luck.
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Old Aug 30, 2001 | 03:50 PM
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Putting the total distance of clutch pedal travel on scale, let's call fully depressed to the floor "0" and fully out/released "10". I'd say my clutch doesn't begin to engage until about "5"...roughly the midpoint.
Hmmm. My clutch doesn't engage until near the top of its travel - maybe closer to 7 or 8 on this scale. Only 20K miles, too. Maybe I had better check the Pentosin levels too. Good suggestion.
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Old Aug 30, 2001 | 04:28 PM
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Chris,

I currently have a 2000 Boxster and have been looking at getting a 993. I have found the engagement point on the 993 clutch to be different than the Boxster. Of course the fact the pedals come from the floor also make it "feel" different that the pedals of the Boxster (hang instead of coming up through the floor). I wouldn't let the engagement difference between the two cars bother you if you don't have any other reason to suspect your clutch is going.
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Old Aug 30, 2001 | 07:09 PM
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I have a 97 993 and my wife drives a 2000 2.7 liter Boxster (not an S).

Clutch travel and feel are very different between the two cars. The 993 is much stiffer to operate and engages at about 1/3 travel (from the floor).

The Boxster engages a bit higher with much less effort and pedal feel.

I presume the difference is at least in part due to a stronger spring in the 993's clutch to handle the higher engine power. The Boxster feels 'boosted' compared to the 993.

Sorry for the non-technically astute description.
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Old Aug 31, 2001 | 03:16 AM
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I have long legs and find it more ergonomic (easier to control the clutch) when the clutch engages in the early cycle of letting the pedal out.

I test drove seven 993s in the last 3 months. I found one difficult to drive because the clutch engaged when the pedal was most of the way out. One 993 seemed very easy to use the clutch because it caught about 1//3 the way out. The others were OK to operate with the clutch engaging about half way out.

These are not accurate measurements, just my compatibility with clutches and the
variation I found among several 96-97 993s. When I get my 993, I will try to adjust the
clutch so it engages as early as practical when the pedal comes out.

Regards,
George
From sunny Arizona
(Expecting to have my 993 w LSD within a week.)
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Old Aug 31, 2001 | 03:32 AM
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Old Aug 31, 2001 | 03:42 AM
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To whom it may concern,

The Pentosin CHF 11s is only used on Turbos with the boosted clutch system. The N/A 993s use the standard brake fluid (from the same container in the trunk).

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Old Aug 31, 2001 | 10:23 AM
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Chris,

FWIW, my new "RS" clutch setup (see recent post) grabs very low, at about 1-2 using your scale. But it is "brand new". It sounds like you have some normal wear, but nothing to be concerned about. My previous clutch was grabbing at 9-10, which is why I changed it. It was not slipping, but I felt slipping was the next step, so I did a preventive maintenance upgrade.
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Old Aug 31, 2001 | 10:50 AM
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Great responses; thanks.
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Old Aug 31, 2001 | 12:34 PM
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John D, When they removed the old clutch was it severely worn like you suspected? Thanks. Bill Z
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