Roll bar in a 95 Cab
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Roll bar in a 95 Cab
I'm looking for options and opinions for a roll bar for my 95 Cab. I went to my first DE this week and had an absolute BLAST!
I've heard about the DAS roll bar that can be added simply and use existing bolt holes. I've also been told it still allows access to the rear seats and is an easy DIY.
As this car will remain a weekend driver and I have a wife and a seven year old son, usability is a factor. It's not going to be a dedicated track car.
Any thoughts on brands, accessability.
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I've heard about the DAS roll bar that can be added simply and use existing bolt holes. I've also been told it still allows access to the rear seats and is an easy DIY.
As this car will remain a weekend driver and I have a wife and a seven year old son, usability is a factor. It's not going to be a dedicated track car.
Any thoughts on brands, accessability.
Thanks!
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The DAS bar requires drilling 4 holes per footwell. You could get a Heigo bar (heigo.de) from FVD-USA that requires no drilling, but you can't get it with a horizontal bar for mounting harnesses (I had a harness bar custom-welded onto the rollbar). AFAIK those are your only choices except for a custom job.
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The heigo is not PCA legal so beware. The DAS is legal but forget the access to the back seats. I used to have it in my cabrio and sure enough it does require drilling the floorboard behind the front seats. As for removable, well it does not take too much time, but its not a one man job really. Also you have to deal with the holes on the floorboard. When I installed the DAS we also installed a steel plate under the floorboards to re enforce the structure and then waterproofed the install so water does not go up the plates and on to the floorboard. So in my view I had a semi permanent install... The DAS that does not reauire drilling is only for the coupe.
It is too bad that you are left with not many choices on the matter....
Here is a pic of the DAS when I had it installed in my cabrio:
It is too bad that you are left with not many choices on the matter....
Here is a pic of the DAS when I had it installed in my cabrio:
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Originally Posted by jnnking
Danny,
Thanks for the heads up on the heigo.
Would I be correct in assuming the drilling is an easy DIY if I decide to go that route?
Thanks for the heads up on the heigo.
Would I be correct in assuming the drilling is an easy DIY if I decide to go that route?
You might also need to rethread the rear holes that mount on the rear seatbelt points. The bolt there is a weird number and we went with a thicker ( read safer) bolt back there so we redid the threading...
Finally 2 more things:
1. The steel plates under the car to re-enforce the structure
2. The bolts I would advise to thread them from the bottom up, so they do not stick under the car and have any danger or catching something under it.
Good luck with it.
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Another option is the Kirk Racing bar. It bolts in like the DAS, requiring drilling in the footwell but it costs around $300 compared to the DAS at $900. Here it is in my 964 Cab. In the 993 I believe you would need to remove the "armrest" pad between the rear seats.
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Rick,
Thanks for the comments and the pcitures. It looks like the back seat is completely un-usable though. I'd really like an option that still allows my son to use the back seat from time to time.
Danny,
Any pics of the back seat?
Thanks for the comments and the pcitures. It looks like the back seat is completely un-usable though. I'd really like an option that still allows my son to use the back seat from time to time.
Danny,
Any pics of the back seat?
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jim,
i have to chime in here. i too have a '95 cab and put my son back there. But certainly not with the roll bar in. I have the heigo bar which probably gives me the best access to the back of any bar out there. It is completely unsafe to put a kid back there with a roll bar. You have to think of safety in terms of a system that works together. For example you would never see a cage in a car without a (5 point) harness. The reason is if you got in an accident our (3 point) seat belts are designed to allow you to move around. Therefore you'd likely break your ribs or worse with a cage. Now apply that concept to the back seat. If one got into an accident & a kid was in a booster chair, he'd likely headbutt the roll bar. NOT GOOD.
I have a roll bar i use for tack events. It comes out in about 15 mins and installs in 30 mins. Hoepfully I convinced you not to even think of a kid in the back with a roll bar.
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i have to chime in here. i too have a '95 cab and put my son back there. But certainly not with the roll bar in. I have the heigo bar which probably gives me the best access to the back of any bar out there. It is completely unsafe to put a kid back there with a roll bar. You have to think of safety in terms of a system that works together. For example you would never see a cage in a car without a (5 point) harness. The reason is if you got in an accident our (3 point) seat belts are designed to allow you to move around. Therefore you'd likely break your ribs or worse with a cage. Now apply that concept to the back seat. If one got into an accident & a kid was in a booster chair, he'd likely headbutt the roll bar. NOT GOOD.
I have a roll bar i use for tack events. It comes out in about 15 mins and installs in 30 mins. Hoepfully I convinced you not to even think of a kid in the back with a roll bar.
Cheers,
Boris
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Jim,
I had a DAS rollbar in a coupe, so I'm not familiar with the cab version. A kid may fit in the back seat with that roll bar but it would be very unsafe, because of remaining rollbar tubes even if they are padded. I have also found that there are some visibility issues with the top hoop. Also I got a metalic resonance through rollbar. Having said that, DAS makes a really excellent product and you do not have to modify the car (coupe version).
I had a DAS rollbar in a coupe, so I'm not familiar with the cab version. A kid may fit in the back seat with that roll bar but it would be very unsafe, because of remaining rollbar tubes even if they are padded. I have also found that there are some visibility issues with the top hoop. Also I got a metalic resonance through rollbar. Having said that, DAS makes a really excellent product and you do not have to modify the car (coupe version).
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If that resonance is similar to what I experienced, it's due to the roof liner whapping the bar at high speed as air comes rushing into the car. I cured it by taking two pieces of rollbar foam and slipping it onto the top of the main hoop, preventing the vinyl from hitting the bar.
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heigo aluminum bar. very nice work and it is a factory bar that requires no holes... if you are interested in it, i'd consider selling it. I'm more into track events now and wouldn't mind a serious bar.