Mystery starting issue - help needed
I've had this problem for the past few years. Intermittently, the car will not start. It's not the DME. The battery has voltage reading of 12.6v at rest. When running it's ~13.8v. The car may start normally, drive normally and I turn it off and then it won't restart. This may be after a 5 minute drive or a 30 minute drive. It can also happen when the car has been sitting at rest. There is no click and the engine doesn't turn. I can hear the pumps priming and the windows/lights all work normally. I will cycle the immobilizer to no avail. Then after 1-10 minutes of trying, it will suddenly fire up.
I had the car checked at my shop. Of course, they could not reproduce it. They checked the ground strap, ran their diagnostics and found nothing wrong. I was running the Immo-block at one point and it still did it. I was wondering if the immobilizer could be acting up, but it's not clear to me.
Any thoughts? Really need a solution and I'm out of ideas.
Video of my attempt
I had the car checked at my shop. Of course, they could not reproduce it. They checked the ground strap, ran their diagnostics and found nothing wrong. I was running the Immo-block at one point and it still did it. I was wondering if the immobilizer could be acting up, but it's not clear to me.
Any thoughts? Really need a solution and I'm out of ideas.
Video of my attempt
Last edited by rk-d; May 12, 2024 at 04:39 PM.
The video shows the immo is disarmed so it's not that. Could be the clutch switch as Ron noted above, or starter relay R61. To rule out both those, remove R61 and jumper terminal 3 and 5 and try restarting.
Yes original. The thought crossed my mind that the motor could be at fault. Not sure how to check for that - I specifically asked my shop if it could be the motor when they looked at it and they said it was fine, though I don't know what (if any) diagnostics they ran on it.
Good tips. Thanks!
Good thoughts. Might be worth preemptively swapping these out. My light switch was corroded and had to be changed, so I could see the ignition being an issue.
It's a '98 C4S.
Edit: Just realized the ignition switch may be tougher than I thought.
It's a '98 C4S.
Edit: Just realized the ignition switch may be tougher than I thought.
Last edited by rk-d; May 12, 2024 at 06:47 PM.
^An easy test to rule out the start contacts in the ignition switch is to remove R61 and apply 12v directly to terminal 5 (make sure car's in neutral). If this test and the R61 jumper test don't get the car cranking, then you can get into the more difficult starter motor tests.
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Yes original. The thought crossed my mind that the motor could be at fault. Not sure how to check for that - I specifically asked my shop if it could be the motor when they looked at it and they said it was fine, though I don't know what (if any) diagnostics they ran on it.
It couldn't be the starter as it ALWAYS started from cold...... could it?
I swopped out the starter (for a 996 turbo version) and it's been perfect ever since. I did replace the starter ground strap/wire at the same time, so it could just have been that.
But the 996 Turbo starter spins it up sooooo much faster, it was worth the cost whatever the reason was.
Follow Jay’s advice replace both
Following up this thread - I installed the bridge adaptor relay bypass in R61 and the issue has not returned to date.
I could try and replace the clutch switch to nail this down further (I suspect that's the issue) but I'm leaving it alone. Works fine as it is.
Thanks all for the helpful advice.
I could try and replace the clutch switch to nail this down further (I suspect that's the issue) but I'm leaving it alone. Works fine as it is.
Thanks all for the helpful advice.






