DJF1

Today I was browsing through Gert's site and I saw he has the PSS-9 on sale!!!
I thought I would post this here as this is a great deal for you guys that are getting ready to do the mandatory upgrade on your suspension!
Phil this is for you!!!

If only I could use it as a racing suspension

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Chris - 97C2

Yup - saw that last night. I am ordering my PSS-9 and some other stuff tomorrow

Mike in Chi

Hey Danny

Which stabilizer bar would you go with?

Would the RS bar be worth that much more over the M030 bar if I'm not tracking the car (the Funhawg narrow-body coupe), but only using it for autoX and a driver?

Thanks

M

Jeff 993TT

fyi, gert's prices on the pss-9's are already super low...

I was talking to the guys at custom alignment in mountain view and he said that gert has caused quite a stir with his low prices among the other US distributors.

So get em while you can!

Jeff

DJF1

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Mike in Chi:
<strong>Hey Danny

Which stabilizer bar would you go with?

Would the RS bar be worth that much more over the M030 bar if I'm not tracking the car (the Funhawg narrow-body coupe), but only using it for autoX and a driver?

Thanks

M</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Nah...I think the M030 sways are the best bang for the money. I was even thinking of putting them on the track car for the time being. Great sways for little relative speaking money. Even if you take the Fanhawg to the track you will still be pleased with them!

Mike in Chi

Thanks Danny.

Imagine that!!! The inexpensive (relatively speaking) solution is the way to go. How often does that happen?

btw, check for a Private message.

Allen

I guess you guys noticed that the PSS-9 with the Turbo sway bars is about the same price as the PSS-9 witht the M030 sways bars. But the Turbo bars are 22mm front and 21mm rear. My car is a '97 narrowbody coupe w/ 18" hollowspokes (225/40 & 285/30)...mostly street with 3 or 4 tarck days per year. Since the price is basically the same...would I be better off to get the Turbo stabilizers with the larger 21mm rear bar instead of the M030 stabilizers with the 20mm bar? What difference would the larger bar offer in handling? I've heard that larger is better when it comes to stabilizer bars, so I thought I'd ask.

DJF1

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Allen:
<strong>What difference would the larger bar offer in handling? I've heard that larger is better when it comes to stabilizer bars, so I thought I'd ask.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">A bit stiffer rear. That translates to more "oversteering" behavior. It all depends though on your suspension settings and tire sizes, tire type....a lot of variables really.
You can play with the settings/tire sizing to modify the behavior to your liking. The 993's by definition come stock with more understeer which is a "safer" behavior for the general public. If you get the PSS-9 you will have a lot of adjustments to play with. Just remember that stiffer is not always better! Especially when you start out stiffer can mean better handling but "snappier" behavior. Softer is more docile, at my level at least I do not want to go all out stiff till I become a better and more experienced driver...

David in LA

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by DJF1:
<strong>Nah...I think the M030 sways are the best bang for the money...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Just out of curiosity, what is the approx price difference between the M030 and the RS/RSR swaybars??

TIA

Ben in Plano, TX

I agree with Danny here

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva"> Just remember that stiffer is not always better! Especially when you start out stiffer can mean better handling but "snappier" behavior. Softer is more docile, at my level at least I do not want to go all out stiff till I become a better and more experienced driver...
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">I went to the PSS-9 with RS sways and started doing DE's with it set nearly full stiff on bars and shocks. I was green/blue level driver and when I got it right it was awesome! But when I got above my skill level - watch out! A couple of magnificent spins that spooked me for several run sessions each.

Since then a sage instructor with a very similar car & suspension setup suggested I soften the settings and try it that way. Much better! I'm sure that as my skills progress I'll go back to the ultra stiff setup but I need to work on the basics first.

I like that the PSS9/RS sways give me a range of adjustability that I can utilize as I learn.

my $0.02

Ben

Martin S.

Danny writes re. the 21mm bar, "A bit stiffer at the rear. That translates to more "oversteering" behavior. It all depends though on your suspension settings and tire sizes, tire type....a lot of variables really."

I was having too much (for me) understeer on my narrow body car on a fairly tight track (Streets of Willow). I replaced the 20mm rear bar with the 21mm bar, and as added insurance, I had extra hole drilled on each side of the bar should I chose to move the frop link foward for added stiffness, should there still be some understeer present.

The 21mm bar did the trick with no noticeable understeer on the tight track (Streets of Willow), and I never even went to the added hole.

Also note, at Willow Springs Raceway, the Big Track, I experienced 0 oversteer. Therefore I have concluded (for me), the 21mm bar was a great selection for the narrow body coupe.

914und993

I undertand that the 3-way adjustable RS bar with drop links was a couple hundred more than the M030 rear bar.

I've been thinking hard about RoW M030 with Bilsteins, vs. Gert's similar H&R offering which allows a bit more lowering and the adjustable rear bar for even a few dollars less. I can't see a downside to the H&R setup, not being a concours guy or club racer.

Chip

poorb0yw

Thanks for the heads up Danny.
Thanks again for letting me hang out with you at TWS as well. My turbos just came in so I'm a little low on cash but I'll see what I can do about this "mandatory" upgrade.

Allen

Martin,

What size bar do you have on the front? Also, is the 20mm bar and the 21mm bar the same bar...just diffrent size? The limited track experience that I have was with my 17" Cup wheels F=205/50, and R=255/40. I had pretty bad understeer (I called it "push" or "plowing"). Now I have 225/40x18 and 285/30x18 and haven't been to the track yet, so I don't know how the new wheels/tires will affect that push/plowing/understeer. I'm not sure whether to get the 21mm or 20mm rear bar...

Robert Henriksen

Allen, your alignment has a big impact on the balance of the car, too. It's not all about the sways.