i was gonna put my post on existing thread, didnt want to hijack it..


i assume you guys are all talking about driving tips in manual mode, and comparing that to true manuals.
certainly my tip feels slow in 'D' with the low rpm upshifts.
although i go 'm' whenever i can, i have now taken to shifting into '3' instead of 'D' in local driving.
cuts out the obnoxious 4th gear upshift at 35mph, and auto shifts down to 1st upon stopping.

any reason not to use '3' mode this way?

thanks , j.

 

J, You are correct, I made the original post referenced above and my opinion was a "seat of the pants" opinion based on both cars in manual mode. As for keeping the car in "3" as opposed to "D", I'm not sure.

 

hmm... I don't notice these issues with my 96 993 tip..

Keep in mind that the TIP has the ability to LEARN driving styles and adapts accordingly..


I actually feel faster on the track with my tip vs. the 95 993 6-speed (despite l/w flywheel and cat bypass)... simply because I can't shift as fast myself..

oh, and I have track time differences to prove it...

in my96 tip, I got consisent 1:42s but with the 95 993 6-speed I got consistent 1:46s (I'm just not the best at those shift points, etc.) and have so much less to worry about with the tip because it already downshifts for me as I'm braking and is in the right gear as I accelerate out of a corner (and I actually feel the pull a bit more)


The only ONLY place I noticed an ever so slight difference is in the straight away..where the 6speed has a slight advantage in pull overall once your doing about 50mph and still accellerating..

..but this difference is so negligible it isn't enough for me to cry and whine about the tip vs. the 6speed...

 

Chris - try getting all your braking and shifting done in a straight line and then rolling back onto the gas as you turn in and accelerate INTO, through and out of the corner. Not only will your exit speed be higher, but your speed at the end of the next straight will better; not to mention the car will be putting down some power IN THE TURN and increase stability/grip.

 

thanks, I actually do that instinctivly in some of the corners but other's still intimidate me.... and then there is the big track intimidation factor... ...as in I have so much more confidence on a smaller track and push harder than I do at Road America.... which I get the feeling will take me years before I actually attempt one of those 90+ mph right turns after the straight!!!

....there is also those concrete walls, kitty litter gravel, and trees at RA that tend to make me less confident whereas gingerman (for example) has no walls or trees or even large kitty litter areas to run into....

 

I hear ya Chris, but it sounds like you are doing very well regardless. What really matters is that you're comfortable with you're speed. So many times people get it all wrong and get into big trouble because of bad judgement - I'd take good judgement over raw skill anyday...

You are damn lucky to have Road America in your backyard - that is one track I'd love to get some more time on...and Monza, and Silverstone, the 'Ring...

 

No complaining allowed from californian's.... you have some wonderful tracks... (and lets not even start with the beautiful weather)

Us Midwesterners need SOMETHING to look forward to in spring after our brutal winters... LOL


BUT I must say that I am thankfull to be only 2 hours away from 4 nice tracks *(Gingerman, Grattan, Blackhawk and Road America)*

...and I still think some day I will try MID Ohio, Putnam and perhaps even Brainard


....I'd love to be able to run at every track in the country some day... hmmm... perhaps I'll have to see if that would be a possible summer extended vacation (kinda like those guys who hit up every baseball game except I'd hit up every racetrack in the USA... )

 

Car 180 or 186 (cant remember for sure) Club Racer is a silver & orange 996 cup car with Tip.

The driver is handicapped (hardly!) and finished quite high in the Tx World Speedway Club Race Enduro.

I see no reason not to use 3 as long as your speeds / RPM in 3 are not too near the redline.

Tippers Unite!

Best wishes

 

i recall searching on this topic and seeing some frustration at the 'reluctance' of the tip program to adapt to more aggressive shift patterns. thats one reason i went to the 3 mode.
j.

 

Yes, I get even more grief being a female driver with a Tip...

..shoulda seen them last weekend when we traded cars and I proved (unannounced) that I can handle shifting just fine (but I still admit I'm not as fast as I am in the Tip because I don't have that quick shifting and double clutching mastered)

 

CE -

You and the folks in F1 already have things figured out!

To each his / her own, the manly types will probably always want to row the boat even if its proven to be slower shifting.

Tippers Unite!

Best wishes

 

jago, the tip trans actually “learns” very well. I don't have it in front of me right now, but find Bruce Anderson's 911 Performance Handbook. The section on the Tiptronic has lots of good hints and tricks. Bruce is a closet Tip fan and he really knows these transmissions. One trick I remember is that two quick stabs on the pedal will instantly bring you down *two* gears instead of one, a neat trick to remember for those (hopefully few) times you are not shifting manually.

To Red911c2 and others, the Tip has a definite learning curve, and can feel sluggish until you learn its ways, some of which are counterintuitive to longtime stick drivers, myself included. If you take the time to learn the trans, however, (which admittedly does take some effort) it gives up VERY little to stick cars, especially when it comes to instant and crisp downshifts at the click of a button.

To each his own, but I went from thinking the trans was “OK” to being delighted with it once I figured out how to drive it.

And Chris: I am not surprised you like the Tip on the track. There was a guy from our area who used to take his 964 Tip to Gingerman, and both he and the instructors consistently turned the fastest times in the Tip. A search on the 964 board should turn up more info if anybody wants more details, he definitely knew that trans.

 

 

I think it has more to do with knowing HOW to drive the tip (as mentioned above).... it's really NOT as difficult as double clutching (honest )
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BTW: I NEVER EVER leave it in '3'

 

is there a reason for this besides the fact that you like to drive it in manual?
i only do it in low speed environments.