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Unique 911, somehow lost 100,000 km from one dealer to another...
Having sold my 993 back in 2014, I have been wanting to get back into the air-cooled 911 world.
Originally I am from the Netherlands, so my search has not been limited to the US, I have been searching some Dutch dealer websites and Dutch classifieds.
Started to look around on the web and somehow, within 30 minutes stumbled upon a previous for sale posting from another dealer. Same car, different dealer, 100,000 kms more!!!
Somehow the car lost 100,000 km ! Mileage is advertised at 137,800 kms .
Yes, the wheels have changed, the lights were changed out, and most likely the service booklet that was part of this listing will likely no longer be part of the current car inventory.
I got all excited about the 38,000 kms, unique car, just to come to the realization that there are crooks everywhere.
I will limit my search to local south FL cars or established sellers on BAT.
One of the advantages of the digital age is that most of the stuff that gets posted, stays on the internet forever. I reached out to the seller / dealer before I found the previous for sale listing, I wonder how much they know about the history...
Hard to see/tell for sure but looks like odometer starts with a zero in both sets of photos. Possibly just a typo? (or have I missed some other supporting evidence)
sad that someone picked apart a well optioned car. The Alum shift **** (X97) was taken too and I'd guess sold for a couple grand and replaced with a $300 ****.
Regarding the pictures and details from the listings available, I would support the statment that this looks, smells and taste like fishy buisness deal.
Heres why;
Look at picture 1 down below.
If you compare the distance from the first white digit and to the right where the plastic wall start separate the six digits from each other, you can compare the distance from the white part to that separating wall.
Compare the first digit and the second digit in the sequence and note that the digit «3» is much wider or has less distance from the white than the first digit.
Also compare the first digit with the last digit with mentioned distance and form of letter and you could start concluding that the first digit most likely is a «1».
Now compare the same space and distances on the digits with picture 2, and you have even higher confidence of that first conclution.
We know now that there is mismatch between the two speedos from the two listings pictures.
Picture 1.
Picture 2.
What is also worth looking into is the description text on both listings;
Originally Posted by 1st listing
This beautiful Porsche 993 C 2 Coupé is a one-off and has not been produced a second time. Our Porsche was put together by a factory employee who used it as a company car for the first two years. In addition to an individual paintwork in violet metallic (special paint from the 964 anniversary series "30 Years Porsche 911"), our 993 also has interior fittings in bicolour special leather black / marble gray, decorative stitching in a different color, handbrake lever and gear lever in aluminum / leather combination, dials in aluminum color , as well as the coveted X51 factory output increase with 3.8l displacement. This engine with mechanical valve lash adjuster was also installed in the 993 Carrera RS models and is significantly more revving and more powerful than the standard engine with 3.6l displacement.
ok, this a good original description of the car. Well written and informal.
Originally Posted by 2nd listing
This beautiful Porsche 993 C 2 Coupé is a one-off and has not been produced a second time. This Porsche was assembled according to the specific wishes of its first owner. In addition to an individual paint in violet metallic (special paint from the 964 anniversary series "30 years of Porsche 911"), our 993 also has interior equipment in two-tone special leather black/marble grey, decorative stitching in a different colour, hand brake lever and gear lever in aluminium/leather combination, dials in aluminium colour, as well as the coveted X51 factory boosted 3.8l cylinder capacity. This engine with mechanical valve gear was also installed in the 993 Carrera RS models and is significantly more rev-efficient and powerful than the standard 3.6l engine.
The first owner put this car together with great care and equipped it with many options, such as..
Well, this is odd. The underlined text show the exact same buildup and language on the text in the first listing. Although there is slight altereation on some parts of the text in the 2nd listing it says basically the same.
One could almost belive they copy-pasted the text straight from the ad and slightly modified it tring to hide a complete copy-paste. Or thats the same person which wrote the text for both listings, but I dont see that as likely as the first option. The resemblance is too much alike.
With all these small indicators and details, it is likely the same car, BUT without veryfying the vin of the car one can not say it 100%.
One could argue with the special colour combination and etc, but the vin is the only true identifyer.
I agree with OP that this is not a good representative buisness solution in the Porsche world, but this is a good example that one needs to pay attention and look at the cars history and records and verify everything before purchase.
It would be nice with a statement from the 2nd listing company to verify if this is the same car and whats the story..
the original older web-listing states 137,800 km's and the current for sale listing states 38,653
so from one seller to the next, the car lost almost 100,000 , which happens to be the first digit on the odometer :-)
The first / original listing states all paperwork / service books present, the second list is silent about any evidence of low miles or service history.
I reached out to the original seller / dealer and send them the current listing, if / when I hear back I will post it.
Yes Peter,
when tens of thousands of dollars in valuation are involved it invites fraudsters. Looking at a car usually gives it away, an interior showing unusual wear or looking too new, especially the steering wheel, seat belts, foot peddle pads and the driver seat upholstery, the condition of chromated fasteners in the engine compartment, plastic parts, and other clues. Even so, it is clearly a buyer beware situation any time one buys a vintage 911. The only time it isn't is if the car is a dealer CPO vehicle, a purchase option that set sail for a 993 a long time ago. For me a steam-cleaned engine bay is an indication one needs to explore the odometer value a little further and a car should have some oxidation and dust commensurate with its use.
I don't think that is a roll-back car. Look at the first and the last character on the odometer. The last one is a real 1 the first one is a zero. It was a typo, that is it.
Both sets of pictures clearly show a 6 speed MT
Below the picture of options codes for the 'original' posting with 137,800kms:
I would love to be wrong, as it would help me regain some confidence, but the coincidences are just too many.
Would there be more than one Porsche employee building a very similar car? Two tone seats, same unique color?
BTW, does any one know what this option looks like? X79 Side air vents on rear wings
12-09-2021, 09:29 PM
Unique 911, somehow lost 100,000 km from one dealer to another...
