fevans

I've been looking for the right 993 for some months, and lurking for several as well. Just curious as to how eager folks find the 993's rear is to "break loose" and come around. In no way will your answers affect my desire to own one, but wondering. I realize that the earlier cars were much more likely to do so, and that the 996 with psm perhaps less so. Please share your experiences/stories from the street or track.

graham_mitchell

I had no trouble breaking it in my 3.2 Carrera but the 993 C4 has never broken unless I REALLY ask for it.

Howdy993

fevans-

I have had my car about a year and love it. The end swapping you inquire of aka trailing throttle oversteer is much reduced in the 993 due to better rear suspension set up than earlier versions. I'm no expert and others can an will chime in.

As a general rule brake before the corner then accelerate through it and dont' lift!

Mark in Baltimore

I had an '85 Carrera with the crude, old suspension and found it to be as docile as the 993. Before I took the Carrera out on the track, I was ultra concerned about the 911's reputation for uncontrollable rotation. One DE was all it took for me to realize how stable, safe and predictable my car was. Of course, if you overcook a high speed corner and quickly pull your foot out of the throttle, either model will want to go sideways. Hell, lots of front whele drive cars will do the same thing.

As long as you have good right foot discipline and don't drive over your abilities, any 993 is going to be a fast and easy car to drive. Don't sweat it.

volpenyc

I swapped ends once (4 or 5 360s, actually). It was raining slightly, when I took an off ramp at 80 or so..and surprise, the back started drifting out. I then counter-steered, of course, but too much (rookie mistake..) I ended up spinning in the other direction. When I regained my senses, I remembered "both feet in" and stopped trying to steer the car. I ended up perfectly straight in my lane, & never touched anything! (Dumb luck..) One of the drivers pulled up next to me and asked if I had done that on purpose! LOL "Not exactly my intention..." was my response.

I have since learned that the 993 is probably one of the easiest 911s to drive (barring the 996 with PSM), but you'll have to learn to how not to "overcook it" (as Mark in Baltimore so deftly put it) in turns. This incident was the best lesson I could have asked for (and considering the lack of damage to anything, the cheapest as well). But a day at a slip pad will teach you all of this .... Don't let your fear of the 911 tail snap prevent you from what will be years of driving enjoyment!

fevans

Howard, couldn't remember the tech term "tto". Enjoyed reading a few threads a search for the term located. George, lucky man. That was probably a better stress test than a trip to the cardiologist.


Forest

volpenyc

Kim - Sounds like exactly what I did! Minus the hitting part of course!

kary993

I think that most street 993's have a lower probability of swapping ends due to the 205 front tires. 993's clad with that small a front tire, given the weight of the car, will mostly understeer no matter what you do with it. You can really screw up if you really try I suppose but it would be hard given the normal street set up. Even 993's that get 225's in front normally put on 265's, 275's, or even 285's only create the same understeer issue.

I personally really like the ability to rotate the car at will. Go into a corner too hot, lift slightly off the throttle, no counter steer or just slight counter steer, and then back on the gas to catch the rotation. I love it!

Edward

fevans,

I remember "putting it out a bit" on a friend's SC many years back...a bit hair raising but that was only because I had never gotten any track instruction. Fastforward to my 993 where it can still be spun around (done it on the track only when pushing it, Never done it on the street), but every time I had looped it, I ALWAYS knew why: driver error. Moral of the story: 911s can be very docile cars but CAN bite if not understood and practiced with. Since you say that you're getting a 993 regardless (great decision, BTW!), you will be benefitting from one of the most advanced/predictable 911 rear suspension designs, but it still can bite, just at a higher speed. So back to the moral of the story: buy the car and get good instruction and LOTS of seat time. You'll not only enjoy the car more, you'll be safer on the road. ...all IMHO, of course

Edward

STLPCA

fevans
Don't be concerned. For responsibly aggressive street driving a 993 (of any flavor) is quite difficult to upset. I suggest you do what I did. When I first purchased my 993 I too was concerned about the infamous 911 tto. I decided to do just one PCA DE weekend to overcome my fear & safely explore my and the car's limits. I never found the car's limits that weekend which I concluded were well past my "pucker point." As a result, I drove my "racecar" home at the end of the weekend with a feeling of confidence. It would be difficult to get to that comfort level w/o track time.

BTW, it's now several years, a couple of dozen DE track days, upgraded suspension, R tires, etc. later & I'm still having fun exploring the limits of car & driver - which have both steadily risen, as has my pucker point.

Kristoffer

Check out my track videos at http://homepage.mac.com/kristofferp
In my & my cars defense my tires were shot And I am sticking to that story!!!

Carrera Mike

I read it in Paul Frere's 911 Story 6th Edition thsa the LSA (rear suspension)on the 993 has significantly if eliminated that old 911's oversteer.