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Old 12-08-2020, 10:24 AM
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The below car is my old 993. I sold it a few months ago to a private buyer for a fraction of the current asking price. The car was involved in a significant frontal impact at sometime in its life but somehow has continued on with a clean car fax and has been passed along to unsuspecting buyers for some time. I bought the car almost 3 years ago after a PPI that failed to recognize signs of accident and repair to the front clip. Had no idea it had been in an accident until I received the car and my local air cooled mechanic looked the car over.

https://classics.autotrader.com/clas.../911/101412885

I have attached my original for sale ad on this forum from a few months ago below. After spending a lot of money to make the car right I had to wave the white flag and cut my losses, which were significant.

https://rennlist.com/forums/market/1213993

Hoping this saves someone some stress, time, and money. Thanks.

- Koby
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Old 12-08-2020, 11:58 AM
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IIRC, isn't "Beverly Hills Car Club" how nature tells us not to touch?
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Old 12-08-2020, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 4Driver4
IIRC, isn't "Beverly Hills Car Club" how nature tells us not to touch?
🤣 yes that is the correct understanding. I dealt with them while I was searching for mine. The sales rep there was pretty bad at responsiveness. I walked away when he told me the options sticker was gone and couldn't give me any service history. Next...
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Old 12-08-2020, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by j0ebeer
🤣 yes that is the correct understanding. I dealt with them while I was searching for mine. The sales rep there was pretty bad at responsiveness. I walked away when he told me the options sticker was gone and couldn't give me any service history. Next...
Old 12-08-2020, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 4Driver4
IIRC, isn't "Beverly Hills Car Club" how nature tells us not to touch?
Haha, agreed. When I bought the car it was at a different dealership but found out later the scruples were less than stellar. It was my first Porsche buying experience, and I learned a ton. Expensive lesson. Hopefully the jig is up on this one. Hope everyone has a happy holidays.

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Old 12-08-2020, 06:15 PM
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I would include the vin in your post so google search will bring up this thread
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Old 12-08-2020, 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 4Driver4
IIRC, isn't "Beverly Hills Car Club" how nature tells us not to touch?
I've heard they deal in damaged goods. I recall calling them one time about a car before I knew anything. Did not get a good feeling.
Old 12-08-2020, 08:21 PM
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Run Forest Ruuuuunnnnnnnnn!!! I’ve heard nothing but bad things about them. Again like we all have said “Buy the Seller” not just the car!
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Well they do put in bold letters : WE BUY CLASSIC CARS, IN-ANY-CONDITION ! on their site : https://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/...assic-cars.htm

You can see some of those "jems" on the site.
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Originally Posted by chsu74
I would include the vin in your post so google search will bring up this thread
Good idea.

VIN WP0AA2990TS322564
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Sorry to say this OP but that car has obvious front end damage just looking at the BHCC pics. Front trunk is sprayed in full color when the factory trunk finish is a primer base that shows through a mist of body color -- very hard to replicate and always a dead giveaway. The fit of the hood front edge is bad, the hood gasket fit is bad, the black plastic trim piece is missing in the front of the trunk aperture, the routing of the hood light wiring and windshield washer tubing from the hood to the cowl is all wrong, and the front a-arms are shiny clean silver instead of the crusty brown cosmoline finish that was sprayed on at the factory. All of it screams major front end collision. That your PPI mechanic didn't notice any of this is borderline criminal. I'm sorry.
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Originally Posted by Churchill
Sorry to say this OP but that car has obvious front end damage just looking at the BHCC pictures...
Sad to see someone trying to flip it for more $$$.

Having said all that if the accident was not recent and the car aligns well and had otherwise been inspected by a third party, I don’t see any problem with a vehicle that has had an accident.

There is a significant problem with an undisclosed accident or one that has not been properly repaired.
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Originally Posted by Churchill
Sorry to say this OP but that car has obvious front end damage just looking at the BHCC pics. Front trunk is sprayed in full color when the factory trunk finish is a primer base that shows through a mist of body color -- very hard to replicate and always a dead giveaway. The fit of the hood front edge is bad, the hood gasket fit is bad, the black plastic trim piece is missing in the front of the trunk aperture, the routing of the hood light wiring and windshield washer tubing from the hood to the cowl is all wrong, and the front a-arms are shiny clean silver instead of the crusty brown cosmoline finish that was sprayed on at the factory. All of it screams major front end collision. That your PPI mechanic didn't notice any of this is borderline criminal. I'm sorry.
Agreed. Once I got the car I knew something was off. I’m not sure how it passed a PPI. Like I said, first Porsche purchase for me. Learned a lot.
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Originally Posted by BlueRidge
Sad to see someone trying to flip it for more $$$.

Having said all that if the accident was not recent and the car aligns well and had otherwise been inspected by a third party, I don’t see any problem with a vehicle that has had an accident.

There is a significant problem with an undisclosed accident or one that has not been properly repaired.
The car did align within spec, and it was a blast to drive. But the fact it wasn’t “right” bothered me to the end. Should have known better, but hopefully better decisions ahead for me! 😁
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I'm sorry that this situation occurred and fully respect how you divulged the issues at sale time. Knowing the car business like the back of my hand. These guys stock inventory that generally what other dealers will have no part with. Frankly, the reputable guys just don't want the heat and will wholesale or "off "these types of situations without even thinking twice. Hope you have better days ahead and can share those with us.
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