billh1963

Did the media (print, viseo, etc.) ever do a driving comparison between the "S" and standard models?

If so, can someone provide a link?

Thanks!

Berkley

With only 1200 plus Coupes built from Aug. '97 to Dec. '97 for North America, there are just fewer cars to buy. All RWD Coupes in 1998 model year where the CS model(C2S). The C4S was introduced in the 1996 model year. 3,871 and 4,972 Coupes were imported for the 19996 and 1997 model years, respectively. Not a clue as to the breakout by type....but the CS was first available in the 1997 model year

I am looking at a number of CS models now and the asking price spread, for same options and miles, seems to be $7,000 to $10,000 on a "97 versus a "98.

I think Dan's point is right on the money....you will pay more at the front and get more back at sale time...

Really it is a matter of personal taste any your budget.....but I can not speak to the C4S model as it had mechanical upgrades and it was produced over three model years.

Surj-993C2S

So its a case of wide butts then eh??

J-Lo or Janet Jackson - take your pick!!

Personally I'm a bit of a J-Lo man (C2S that is)

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Caveman

The other feature that the S has over the non-S is that it has the nice looking turbo front which, as a non-S driver, I have to admit looks better than the standard nose.

Just my 1.4p.

Cheers,

David
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Vinny '98 3.8 C2S

I can't see spending the extra $$ for an "S" unless you truly love the look and want originality vs. an aftermarket wide rear which is a pretty costly ugrade in any case. One other plus is that you can go with wider rubber on an "S".

Having said that, in '98 the only choice was an "S", but I was glad because I much preferred the wide look.

neunelf

Readdressing the issue of rarity, does anyone know the production numbers of widebody cars ('S' & Turbo) versus narrowbody cars for North America and ROW?

Oddly, could it be that the narrowbody was built in smaller numbers making it the more rare of the two? You wouldn't normally assume that that would be the case but, could it be so?
I don't think that this is so but can someone confirm this?

STLPCA

From <a href="http://p-car.com/production.html" target="_blank">Porsche 911 Redbook 1965-1999, ISBN 0-7603-0723-7, Patrick C. Paternie 2000:</a>

[quote]
Production from 1/94 to 7/94 (model year 1994):
Carrera - US/Can: 1453 ROW: 6412, Cabriolet - US/Can: 1224 ROW: 5850, Cup - worldwide: 100.

Production from 8/94 to 7/95 (model year 1995):
Carrera - US/Can: 4139 ROW: 7018, Cabriolet - US/Can: 3718 ROW: 2878, Turbo – worldwide: 78,
Cup - worldwide: 110, RS – worldwide: 274.

Production from 8/95 to 7/96 (model year 1996):
Carrera - US/Can: 3671 ROW: 6762, Cabriolet - US/Can: 2152 ROW: 2066, Targa - US/Can: 462 ROW: 1980, Turbo - US/Can: 1357 ROW: 2484, GT2 - worldwide: 202.

Production from 8/96 to 7/97 (model year 1997):
Carrera - US/Can: 4972 ROW: 5794, Cabriolet - US/Can: 2157 ROW: 1679, Targa - US/Can: 567 ROW: 1276, Turbo - US/Can: 1046 ROW: 972.

Production from 8/97 to 7/98 (model year 1998): Carrera - US/Can: 1292 ROW: 780, Cabriolet - US/Can: 1201 ROW: 138, Targa - US/Can: 122 ROW:212, Turbo - worldwide: 739, Cup – worldwide: 30, GT2 – worldwide: 21. <hr></blockquote>

From this <a href="http://forums.rennlist.com/cgi-bin/rennforums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=3&t=002215&p=" target="_blank">archived thread:</a>

[quote]Originally posted by Terry Adams:

Carrera S:
'97 = 759 US/Canada
'98 = 993 US/Canada

Carrera 4S:
'96 = 1091 US/Canada
'97 = 937 US/Canada
'98 = 298 US/Canada

Above courtesy of D. Lee and Tom W. (they called PCNA to find out). The '98 model year agrees with Anir's, and the above are missing the '96 Carrera total.<hr></blockquote>

The Redbook figures include the wide bodies, so the difference would be the narrow bodies.

As a data point, there were 35,627 Corvettes produced in 2001.

dcpmark

So, according to these figures, the rarest coupe for US/Canada would be the '98 C4S, followed by the '97 C2S, no?

Jack Ennuste

When I saw, I thought that it must be a mistake. But it was true. Prices back to 1997:

1997 993 Turbo US price U$ 105 000.-
1997 993 Turbo S US price U$ 150 000.-



Turbo S

Terry Adams

In the early 1970's for about $10K, you could buy 1 Mercedes 300SL Gullwing (about 1400 made between '54 to '57), or a 1965 Shelby Cobra, 1K barrels of oil at $10, or 1 oil painting by Marc Chagal, or about 300 ounces of gold at $32 before we went off the gold standard. If you need gas to get to work, you gotta have it, even if oil goes to $40. If you need a 993 Carrera 'S' because it is somewhat rare and wil probably appreciate somewhat in value if you keep it in the garage and enjoy it mostly by looking at it, then you have more willpower than me.

Randy M

So there were only 298 C4S's imported to NA in '98? Wow, guess I'm a lucky fella. From all the figures though, all 993's are pretty rare compared to other makes.

SteveL1

Being in the market for a 993, I myself have been having the exact same debate. I drool over the big butts of the 'S' cars, but the extra $10-12k could very easily cover the personalized items that I would like to have. Euro TT frt bumber w/ ducts, Pss9 suspension, RS rear wing and side skirts, SSR GT3 wheels w/ S03's, TechArt pedals and LOTS of carbon fiber goodies! Not to mention the DE entry fees for a couple of years.

Now if I could just pick the right #'s for the $280 million Power Ball on Christmas day, I would have a new Seal Grey TT AND a Gaurds Red '97 big butt Turbo 'S' in the new Garage Maj Hal! <img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[burnout]" />

brandon

If the extra cost of a comparable "S" is not a factor for you, I would buy the "S"...get what makes you happy.

At the time we were looking for a "used" 911, we had to set a limit on what we would spend on a it ($30,000).

Being careful shoppers and having great discipline, we managed to find a car that exceed that amount by 50%...thus proving that a budget is merely advisory, and temporary insanity is contagious.

I'd buy a turbo-S if it were "in my budget"

Good luck!

Rob 97 993c2

IMHO, i dont think the S is worth it, especially the c2S.
Astethics: Unlike past 911s or the 996, the 993c2 still has a rear bulge and looks great (the rear difference is hardly noticeable, unless u go are trying to look for it). Given how short these cars are, the widebody looks a little awkward, especially w/o a tail. And if you want a tail, then you probably want it to look like a turbo, so just go buy a turbo and have fun.

Handling: the factory designed the car in the narrow body and i have read articles that the C2S was slightly less responsive than the c2 (most of us may never find this difference). Similarly the factory designed the widebody for a 400 hp turbo. This arguement is not as clear cut for the c4s, but the c2s is just left-over TT bodies.

marketvalue - as these cars depreciate, the gap between the S and non-S should narrow, therefore you will lose on the 'pay more now, get more later' theory.

Obviously, buy what you like and enjoy, but if you are not really drawn to the c2s, i would find a really nice c2 and spend the difference to make your it perfect for you.
good luck
=r

Greg Fishman

[quote]Originally posted by Rob 97 993c2:
<strong>Astethics: Unlike past 911s or the 996, the 993c2 still has a rear bulge and looks great (the rear difference is hardly noticeable, unless u go are trying to look for it). Given how short these cars are, the widebody looks a little awkward, especially w/o a tail. And if you want a tail, then you probably want it to look like a turbo, so just go buy a turbo and have fun.

Handling: the factory designed the car in the narrow body and i have read articles that the C2S was slightly less responsive than the c2 (most of us may never find this difference). Similarly the factory designed the widebody for a 400 hp turbo. This arguement is not as clear cut for the c4s, but the c2s is just left-over TT bodies.

marketvalue - as these cars depreciate, the gap between the S and non-S should narrow, therefore you will lose on the 'pay more now, get more later' theory.


=r</strong><hr></blockquote>


On the aesthetics that is a personal choice but I have never heard anyone say that a S car looks awkward because it doesn't have a tail. Most people (myself included) like the clean lines the car has with the pop up spoiler.

Performance/Handling. There is no difference in the suspension. The parts between the cars are inter changeable. The S cars have a different offset wheel and wider rear fender. The difference may be in the weight saving (maybe 150lbs), but most of us couldn't tell a difference by the seat of our pants.

Market Value. Most people don't buy the car for what its value will be in 10-20 years. I don't follow values of the older cars but I would be surprised if the older Turbo-Look cars from the 80's don't demand a fairly substancial premium over the regular Carrera.