Craig MX7

Hello All
Considering purchase of a 96 993 which has a clubsport type wing - side skirts and a front spoiler added. The wing is badged Gemballa - not sure about the other parts. None of the original body pieces are included with the car, so returning to stock will probably be $$$. Wondering what the general feeling is for these add ons for street use. Should I be deducting from the asking price or adding to it?
Thanks

Bins

Not sure if youre buying or selling.

If buying, I would suggest you use any excuse to deduct from the price tag.

If selling, use any excuse to add to the price tag.

You'll end up bargaining anyway.

But seriously, it depends whether the bodykit looks OTT on the car, in which case it reduces the value. If subtle, no worries.

Regards.

Hank Cohn

Craig:

I agree with Bins. When you start bolting stuff on your car you significantly narrow down the range of people who would have been interested in buying it. If those parts are something that you, as the buyer want, then they have value to you. If you know you will be removing them, then they have no value to you and would detract from the price.

Hank Cohn

993RS

Silver Bullet,
Yup, and I guess I am an extreme example of that philosophy. But my car is a keeper... A stock car would never offer me the fun factor I had from my car... <img src="graemlins/wave.gif" border="0" alt="[byebye]" />

STLPCA

Craig
I think it is more of a marketability issue, which is not the same as value. Think of it as a house with a swimming pool. It may limit the pool ( ) of potential buyers, decreasing marketability, but it may enhance value to those wanting a pool. If the seller is patient, he'll find a buyer willing to pay for the add-ons. If not, he needs to discount the price to attract buyers who couldn't care either way or don't want them. Your offer should be based on whether or not the additions have value for YOU.

Martin S.

It seems there are three catagories of buyers:
1. THey want a totally stock car,
2. These folks will accept mods as long as they are Porsche factory mods. They don't want MA Shaw, FVD, Ruf...Porsche factory only!
3. Some folks buy based on the appeal of the car...they could care less.

If future resale is a concern, if you plan to do any mods, KEEP the original parts. When you sell the car, take the mods off and sell them separately, or sell the car with 2 options, A. With aftermarket or Porsche factory add ons, or B., no options, convert the car back to stock.

I am in the process of adding on the RS conversion, re-sale be damned. The only way this car is being sold is if I croak...and then it is no longer my problem.

Martin

Flying Finn

I'm sort of with Dan here,

People always ask what will the next owner think if I'll do this & that, should I do this because of the resale value or should I not...

IMO, you should first think what YOU think about it, do YOU like it or not, then after that, think about others. After all, it is/will be your car & you are the one who enjoys it

It's like keeping plastic seat covers on your leather sport seats and then take them of when you sell the car so that they look/feel great for the next owner?! <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" />

PeanutinCA

Graig,
your not looking at the white car at the Dealer in Hollywood/Beverly Hills are you? With the Gemballa rear wing and rocker panels? Ultimately, when buying it's what you like, I think the rear wing on that car (if it's that one) is great, but (IMO) the rocker panels suck!!

With that said, if you worried about resale today, before you have even bought, then perhaps factor in what the markets will be doing when your ready to sell? Think about those people that bought a couple years ago when there was a lot of money around and are now trying to sell today when things are very tight. Also, as already mentioned, change a car from stock, which already has a limited market, then make it even more unique and look at how much your market reduces. <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" /> Or, buy for you and worry about resale when the time comes. If you have the time to sell and did your homework to get the best deal when buying, then you will (hopefully) lose less on the Porsche than most other cars out there.

I bought a '77 Carerra when there was nothing to buy (only one in the paper for 2 months) and sold when there was so many cars to choose from it wasn't funny. I dropped $500 on what I paid after 2 years (but I did respray the whole car after bending a rear guard so factor in another $3K on painting).

Buy 'cos you like it, enjoy life and enjoy your toys. <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

Dylan.

Bins

Craig,

Dylan has a good point.

Hope Im not getting the wrong end of the stick.

Without seeing the car its difficult to judge.
BUT
It depends on what your concerns are. If you are concerned about this at the moment. The likelihood is that other people are going be concerned about the same things.

The fact that you are wondering about returning it to stock means you already have feelings about this.

Somebody (Sorry cant remember who) mentioned in a previous thread that a transaction takes place in seconds.

Trust me - its no point buying a car that you are going to be concerned about. It really does leave a bitter taste.

What your instincts tell you is important.
Bottom line is - will YOU be happy with it.
Enjoy what you buy. Buy what you enjoy!

KC993

My $.02, there are so many other points to consider as well; what other options came with the car, miles on the car, and the owner of the car(whether the guy's a Porsche nut), the history of the car is also important of course. If I see the car with a Gemballa kit on it, I would want to know why and who did the job, chances are the kit might be hiding some of the imperfections the car has from accidents , especially when there are no OEM take off parts from the owner. <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[nono]" />

PeanutinCA

Not always KC? I'm about to put a front splitter and rear wing on my car (not OEM), because I like them, no other reason. My car has nothing to hide, low miles, full history. If it's the car I am thinking of (in discussion), then it was pretty clean.

Down at Pacific Coast Porsche they have (had) Charlie Sheene's (not sure if he spells it that way) Turbo, which has had a lot of work done to it. Mainly mechanical but some cosmetics and that was becuase he can, not to hide anything. Some people just like that exotic, race kind of look, me included. Agreed, some people will do some dodgey things to hind imperfections but that's a given.

I think you should be able to contact the previous owner no? Ask for details and again, if that's what you like, then that's what you like.

Enjoy.

Craig MX7

Thanks for all the responses.
Peanutinca - yes this is the one in hollywood. How long ago did you see it? - Curious how long its been for sale.
It is very clean, I don't think the new bodywork is being used to hide damage.
Personally I think the car is really hot looking. The reason I hesitate is because I am also looking at a bone stock car which is also very clean for about the same price.
I have heard of Gemballa, and was under the impression that their stuff is pretty good?
There is also a Techart strut brace and some kind of aftermarket exhaust. I am sure there is more but thats all I could see. I guess the PPI will reveal what else has been done.
Thanks

PeanutinCA

Craig,
sorry for the late reply, my computer pooped out last week when replying. I guess I looked at the car late January, early Feb? It looks like a nice clean car if that is your color preference?

Take it for a spin. Actually try out a couple to feel the difference. I drove a TT on the weekend and apart from the obvious power difference, the clutch was shorter and lighter (obviously updated), the suspension tighter, the gear change smoother. And this is comparing to my '95 993 with only 24K miles? Each car is different so drive as many as you can before making any decisions. Most cars don't move too quickly unless they are a super cheap buy.

And yes, I've had my car a month and I knew I shouldn't have driven that damn TT!! Anyone want to swap? <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" />

Dylan.

David '96 993

Craig,
If these are mods that you would be making anyways, you may actually save yourself some $ in the short term. In the long term, you will limit your population of potential buyers. Be prepared to take your time selling it to the right buyer, or reduce the price to an attractive level that will get immediate response. I am currently selling my non P-Car with lots of mods and it is going to take some time, particularly in this soft economy On the other hand, I am still having fun driving it as a second car

By the way, the Charlie Sheen car at Pacific is going for TOP $$$ It is a neat car though for those that like mods <img src="graemlins/bigok.gif" border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" />

tmobley

Speaking of Sheen's 993TT - I was told by the dealer that it was dyno'ed in excess of 600 hp. It was sold to an off-shore individual who ultimately didn't want it because it had been so heavily modified (HELLO - How else can you get 600 hp) so the car is still for sale. Sheen will, if not already, take delivery of a 996TT and will no doubt, if not already, begin the modifcations to the poultry 450 hp power plant.

Anybody with a g-suit and 100K +/- laying around?