993 door lock microswitches?
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Hey guys, quick question. Did all 993s come with door lock microswitches inside the door panels (attached to exterior handle)? I'm still trying to diagnose my alarm faults, so I ordered two new microswitches expecting that mine might have some bad connections or something. When i pulled off both door panels, there were no microswitches to be found. The driver side door panel seems like its never been taken apart (the clear cover was on perfectly), so I'm guessing mine did not come with them? Thanks in advance
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The plot thickens... you are saying later built cars didn't have them, so why were they added back in in 1996?
Could a revised drawing simply be that a revised drawing where some details were omitted as a clerical error?
If you are correct and one makes the leap of faith that the wiring harness doesn't have connections for them could a run of wires from each of the doors to the center console switch make for an easy DIY retrofit for Marcus's car?
The drawing I have is marked "Printed In Germany 11, 1993" and also "97-5" that seems to be a drawing number or page. The switches are present, can't say what this means.
Andy
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Andy,
I don’t know anything beyond what the Bentley schematics show. As far as I can tell, only the original 95 schematics show a cylinder lock switch on each door, both of which are wired to the “prime”/“unprime” terminals on the central locking box. The 95/2, 96 and 97/98 schematics don’t show them. - Jay
I don’t know anything beyond what the Bentley schematics show. As far as I can tell, only the original 95 schematics show a cylinder lock switch on each door, both of which are wired to the “prime”/“unprime” terminals on the central locking box. The 95/2, 96 and 97/98 schematics don’t show them. - Jay
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-All 993's have DOOR LOCK ACTUATOR microswitches (P/N 96461313400).
-Early 95's also have CYLINDER LOCK microswitches (Sheet 2 of the 95 schematic, F11, G11). I believe this is P/N 96461313400 shown in post #5.
Enzo101395 reported not seeing microswitches "attached to the exterior handle", so I assume he was referring to the CYLINDER LOCK SWITCHES shown in post #5. Unless he has an early build 95 what he's seeing is to be expected.
-Early 95's also have CYLINDER LOCK microswitches (Sheet 2 of the 95 schematic, F11, G11). I believe this is P/N 96461313400 shown in post #5.
Enzo101395 reported not seeing microswitches "attached to the exterior handle", so I assume he was referring to the CYLINDER LOCK SWITCHES shown in post #5. Unless he has an early build 95 what he's seeing is to be expected.
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- All 993's have DOOR LOCK ACTUATOR microswitches (P/N 96461313400).
- Early 95's also have CYLINDER LOCK microswitches I believe this is P/N 96461313400
- I assume he was referring to the CYLINDER LOCK SWITCHES shown in post #5. Unless he has an early build 95 what he's seeing is to be expected.
Also in both the USA & ROW catalogs, only one switch is called out, the one that fits to the keyway and it is specified for years up to 1994 in both. Clearly, if later cars have the switch there is an error in the catalog.
On my 1996 if I turn the key both doors unlock and seeing that there are no other switches internal to the door in the parts catalogs it suggests the switch to the keyway must be present or some other switch that is not listed in the catalogs is part of the lock mechanism. In either case, a switch must be present for both doors to unlock.
Andy
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Hi Jay, I'm a little confused, maybe a typo as the part number for what you call "door lock actuator microswitches" and "cylinder Lock microswitch" are the same part number above.
Also in both the USA & ROW catalogs, only one switch is called out, the one that fits to the keyway and it is specified for years up to 1994 in both. Clearly, if later cars have the switch there is an error in the catalog.
On my 1996 if I turn the key both doors unlock and seeing that there are no other switches internal to the door in the parts catalogs it suggests the switch to the keyway must be present or some other switch that is not listed in the catalogs is part of the lock mechanism. In either case, a switch must be present for both doors to unlock.
Andy
Also in both the USA & ROW catalogs, only one switch is called out, the one that fits to the keyway and it is specified for years up to 1994 in both. Clearly, if later cars have the switch there is an error in the catalog.
On my 1996 if I turn the key both doors unlock and seeing that there are no other switches internal to the door in the parts catalogs it suggests the switch to the keyway must be present or some other switch that is not listed in the catalogs is part of the lock mechanism. In either case, a switch must be present for both doors to unlock.
Andy
The catalog shows a "Transmission Element" (P/N 928-624-211-00, illustration 804-15) which I assume is the actuator. The schematic shows switches inside the actuator which explains why no separate actuator switch part is called out. There are 2 versions of the door harness: 94 and 95-and-later which would be consistent with different lock/actuator wiring.
BTW, my 97 behaves like yours - turning the key locks both doors. But that doesn't necessarily require a cylinder lock switch - the key may actually moves the actuator, whose switches are sensed by the Alarm/Central Locking unit, which unlocks the other door.
So still a mystery. Then again, maybe Enzo solved his problem and we can all go home...
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Yes, you bring up a good point about the actuator. In fact, it is an electromagnet so if its plunger is moved by turning the key it would induce a small electrical pulse. Maybe a pulse the ECU can see and know to unlock the other door. Makes sense as auto manufacturers strive to take cost out of manufacturing their vehicles and if they can do it while improving reliability it's a plus.
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Update: I went ahead and just pulled the trigger on a used immobilizer with a fob programmed to it. Should do the trick. At this point I still don't know what the double flash is but im guessing it has to do with the door microswitches.
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Hi @enzo.Sorry for jumping to an old thread. I have exactly the same problem. I can do all the steps to disable the inmobilizer but I in the next step the fobs cannot be programed. Dual blink on alarm-led means something is wrong. I checked doors, trunk, engine, glove box and radio. all good. Continuity of each cable to the alarm tested and all switches are working. The only suspect are the microswitches. How do you manage to solve your problem? thanks!