The Future value of air cooled 911s?
05-26-2019, 02:42 PM
#31
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I’ve been very involved in muscle cars for many years and experienced the run up in prices in the mid 2000’s first hand when I owned 2 67 Z28’s and an LS6 Chevelle that all tripled-plus in value. I got into 993’s in 2008 because I didn’t think that the prices that muscle cars were commanding was worth it to me anymore.
Prices are dropping now and a number of collections are being sold off. The reason is simple...just go to a cruise night or car show and look at all the grey hair! I did an age survey on 993 owners on this site few months ago and based on those results, 993 demand will be strong for at least another 20 - 30 years.
Prices are dropping now and a number of collections are being sold off. The reason is simple...just go to a cruise night or car show and look at all the grey hair! I did an age survey on 993 owners on this site few months ago and based on those results, 993 demand will be strong for at least another 20 - 30 years.
You brought up a memory when I turned 28 years old. My then girlfriend gave me a birthday card that read on the front "Grey hairs are beautiful". The inside read " ask any man who is bald."
05-26-2019, 04:20 PM
#32
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05-27-2019, 03:34 PM
#34
Instructor
05-27-2019, 06:03 PM
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05-27-2019, 06:58 PM
#36
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All well and good as long as you don't venture out farther than half your useable range but, to take a trip will require a vast network of re-charge stations with enough positions to accommodate multiple travelers at the same time and a matter of mere minutes to achieve at least 75-80% charge capacity. BTW, the batteries in EV's and hybrids have a finite life. There will be "sticker shock" when replacement time rolls around. But, then, the "disposable society" will just turn the car in to the recycler and buy another EV.
05-27-2019, 09:50 PM
#37
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That is just the thing, it is new tech. I don't want to be stuck with a Sony betamax, DAT, or Laser disc (obsolete) when the battery tech has moved on to the equivalent of DVR's. 
I agree somewhat with NC Trackrat, if they can get batteries to charge in 15 min or less, with charging stations everywhere, 300+ range, 30k price. Then the average guy can think about it as a primary vehicle. Never mind what the average guy actually needed / will use, its that perception that will be difficult to overcome.
I agree somewhat with NC Trackrat, if they can get batteries to charge in 15 min or less, with charging stations everywhere, 300+ range, 30k price. Then the average guy can think about it as a primary vehicle. Never mind what the average guy actually needed / will use, its that perception that will be difficult to overcome.
05-29-2019, 03:19 PM
#39
Burning Brakes
Battery tech is always improving, so it's only a matter of time before the tech has all the good facets (high capacity/range, low cost, fast charge speed, ecologically manufactured) with little or none of the bad facets.
05-29-2019, 05:11 PM
#40
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- The degrading of our personal freedoms when the government can track your location with precision wherever you go.
- The joy and feeling of freedom and independence that spawned the automotive enthusiast will be absent.
- The staggering and always present unintended consequences when technology is viewed as the answer to our problems
05-29-2019, 05:16 PM
#41
Humm -- good aspects to look forward to,
- The degrading of our personal freedoms when the government can track your location with precision wherever you go.
- The joy and feeling of freedom and independence that spawned the automotive enthusiast will be absent.
- The staggering and always present unintended consequences when technology is viewed as the answer to our problems
- You kids get off of my lawn, dag nabbit!
05-29-2019, 06:22 PM
#42
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Last edited by pp000830; 05-29-2019 at 07:05 PM.
05-29-2019, 09:29 PM
#43
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By 2030, there'll be very few people who will know how to drive a manual transmission vehicle! so sad! 
"The report from U.S. News and World Report show only 18 percent of U.S. drivers know how to operate a stick shift. It says that because of advancements in automatic transmissions and fuel economy, only about 5 percent of vehicles sold in the U.S. today come with a stick shift.Oct 11, 2016"
"The report from U.S. News and World Report show only 18 percent of U.S. drivers know how to operate a stick shift. It says that because of advancements in automatic transmissions and fuel economy, only about 5 percent of vehicles sold in the U.S. today come with a stick shift.Oct 11, 2016"
05-29-2019, 10:01 PM
#44
Burning Brakes
The "hill-holding" feature on most newer manuals, even my '07 335i, would get more potential drivers to sample, maybe then buy these cars, if such was demonstrated or disseminated. Neither is done.
Most mainstream salespeople, new and used, don't know how to drive manuals, so game over before it starts.
Most mainstream salespeople, new and used, don't know how to drive manuals, so game over before it starts.
05-30-2019, 01:55 AM
#45
By 2030, there'll be very few people who will know how to drive a manual transmission vehicle! so sad!
"The report from U.S. News and World Report show only 18 percent of U.S. drivers know how to operate a stick shift. It says that because of advancements in automatic transmissions and fuel economy, only about 5 percent of vehicles sold in the U.S. today come with a stick shift.Oct 11, 2016"
"The report from U.S. News and World Report show only 18 percent of U.S. drivers know how to operate a stick shift. It says that because of advancements in automatic transmissions and fuel economy, only about 5 percent of vehicles sold in the U.S. today come with a stick shift.Oct 11, 2016"
I’d imagine it’s twice as hard to find someone with a manual for practice. It’s very intimidating to buy a car that you don’t really know how to drive.