Help, To varioram or not that is the Q?
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I have been negotiating on a 95 and someone raised the issue of the more powerful 96+ 993's. Is there a meaningful difference between the two with and without. Are there any advantages to not having it? Help a newbie.
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a '95 with a chip will be very close to the '96 and up car's performance.
(a '95 car is OBD I, while 96 and later are OBD II and not as easy to chip)
plus, a 95 will help keep you away from a check engine light /failed emmisions test caused by the secondary air injection ports being clogged.
spend some time with the "search" function on the top right of the page.
happy reading!!
max
Edit: the above assumes that you are in N. America
(a '95 car is OBD I, while 96 and later are OBD II and not as easy to chip)
plus, a 95 will help keep you away from a check engine light /failed emmisions test caused by the secondary air injection ports being clogged.
spend some time with the "search" function on the top right of the page.
happy reading!!
max
Edit: the above assumes that you are in N. America
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I've found a noticeable improvement in lower rpm punch w/the varioram cars. BTW, perusing the shop manual reveals a number of other changes after MY95. Some good, some not.
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I'm with Dan....at lower rpm's there is a perceptible difference. If you compare the torque curves you'll see why.
The price delta and inventory that you come across might be the deciding factor. And if you choose the MY95 you can always just stay in high revs.
The price delta and inventory that you come across might be the deciding factor. And if you choose the MY95 you can always just stay in high revs.
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there is nothing like a varioram "blip" at about 4200 rpms, increased power is felt and with the porsche motorsound airbox its nothing but AWESOME.
i would recommend a varioram car over non
i would recommend a varioram car over non
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FWIW,....Each and every engine we have dyno'ed with and without shows a 30-35 lb-ft improvement in torque from 2000 to 5000 RPM with Varioram.
Peak power remained the same, but the low and mid-range punch was very different.![Smilie](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
We did several 3.6 and 3.8 identical engines; some with the plastic manifold and some with the Varioram one and then overlaid the dyno graphs. Its pretty obvious what that thing does and I can really feel the difference in the car.
That said, a good chip in a '95 helps bridge that gap.
Peak power remained the same, but the low and mid-range punch was very different.
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We did several 3.6 and 3.8 identical engines; some with the plastic manifold and some with the Varioram one and then overlaid the dyno graphs. Its pretty obvious what that thing does and I can really feel the difference in the car.
That said, a good chip in a '95 helps bridge that gap.
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I've driven both. Like Steve's figures indicate, you can feel the difference in low- and mid-rpm torque. However, all-out performance through the gears is basically identical. The '95s are just as quick as the Varioram cars, but you have to use the gearbox more. FWIW, the quickest standing-start acceleration figures I've seen for 993s in the magazine road tests were for '95s. I always like to mention that since I have a '95
. Perhaps the only real "advantage" of the non-Varioram is that you don't have to deal with the OBD II clogged port CEL issue, which is significant IMO.
Steve, are you saying that your dyno shows peak hp to be the same for the '95 vs. the Varioram cars? I ask since the claim is 270 vs. 282 hp.
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Steve, are you saying that your dyno shows peak hp to be the same for the '95 vs. the Varioram cars? I ask since the claim is 270 vs. 282 hp.
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Hi Todd:
Porsche rated the OBD-I cars at 272 HP and the OBD-II Varioram ones at 285 HP.
I see those ratings and have no real world explanations for it.![Smilie](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
We did several modified 3.6's and 3.8's that were identical except for intake system and the peak power was within 5 HP,.....(our Superflow 800 HP engine dyno's resolution is 2 HP).
Now,..."Area under the curve" was very different though, and the torque differences made the V-Ram cars tire burners compared to their non V-Ram cousins.
It appears that using the larger RS valves and cams (all timed the same) helps close the gap at peak RPM assuming comparable software.
One big advantage to the OBD-I, '95 car is the ease of software changes (less expensive, too) and optimization of each engine's configuration.
Porsche rated the OBD-I cars at 272 HP and the OBD-II Varioram ones at 285 HP.
I see those ratings and have no real world explanations for it.
![Smilie](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
We did several modified 3.6's and 3.8's that were identical except for intake system and the peak power was within 5 HP,.....(our Superflow 800 HP engine dyno's resolution is 2 HP).
Now,..."Area under the curve" was very different though, and the torque differences made the V-Ram cars tire burners compared to their non V-Ram cousins.
It appears that using the larger RS valves and cams (all timed the same) helps close the gap at peak RPM assuming comparable software.
One big advantage to the OBD-I, '95 car is the ease of software changes (less expensive, too) and optimization of each engine's configuration.
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Originally posted by GabiOsz
I know this may sound like a stupid question, but can you retrofit the Vario Ram manifold onto a 1995 plastic manifold car?
I know this may sound like a stupid question, but can you retrofit the Vario Ram manifold onto a 1995 plastic manifold car?
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FWIW:
I worked out this conversion on a MY95. There are many little changes needed to be done in order to get the Vram plenum down onto the engine. Most of the changes are to the secondary air injection system as the pump needs to be relocated. Also, the cruise control servo moves and requires different linkage.
Good news is that if you had the Wiring Harness recall performed, PCNA used a "universal" harness for the MY95 and MY96 cars so the wiring for the vacuum control solenoids is present.
If anyone wants to know more, feel free to e-mail me.
Regards
I worked out this conversion on a MY95. There are many little changes needed to be done in order to get the Vram plenum down onto the engine. Most of the changes are to the secondary air injection system as the pump needs to be relocated. Also, the cruise control servo moves and requires different linkage.
Good news is that if you had the Wiring Harness recall performed, PCNA used a "universal" harness for the MY95 and MY96 cars so the wiring for the vacuum control solenoids is present.
If anyone wants to know more, feel free to e-mail me.
Regards