Opinions on 993 C4S cars
#16
I'm leary of BAT, but if you are able to get someone to check this one out and get a PPI -- it could be a contender. Between the higher miles and the history of elective full repaint, the selling price should be lower than normal. Looks like repaint was done at Champion Porsche, and I personally wouldn't care if it meant a good deal is to be had and the repaint was done well, but some people are funny about that. It's a pretty C2S (widebody).
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...rera-s-3-6-10/
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...rera-s-3-6-10/
#17
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I'm leary of BAT, but if you are able to get someone to check this one out and get a PPI -- it could be a contender. Between the higher miles and the history of elective full repaint, the selling price should be lower than normal. Looks like repaint was done at Champion Porsche, and I personally wouldn't care if it meant a good deal is to be had and the repaint was done well, but some people are funny about that. It's a pretty C2S (widebody).
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...rera-s-3-6-10/
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...rera-s-3-6-10/
#18
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I'm leary of BAT, but if you are able to get someone to check this one out and get a PPI -- it could be a contender. Between the higher miles and the history of elective full repaint, the selling price should be lower than normal. Looks like repaint was done at Champion Porsche, and I personally wouldn't care if it meant a good deal is to be had and the repaint was done well, but some people are funny about that. It's a pretty C2S (widebody).
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...rera-s-3-6-10/
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...rera-s-3-6-10/
#19
Those Blue Calipers are hideous! The grey interior is blah. I would keep looking.
I don't care for grey either, but some people aren't particular. Wasn't sure about OP. There are some compromises with this one - I'm not a huge blue fan either, but this one looks pretty nice color wise. It could be a good pickup, in terms of value, for a C2S. Assuming the bones are good.
It's in the message thread.
#20
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Calipers are fixable.
I don't care for grey either, but some people aren't particular. Wasn't sure about OP. There are some compromises with this one - I'm not a huge blue fan either, but this one looks pretty nice color wise. It could be a good pickup, in terms of value, for a C2S. Assuming the bones are good.
It's in the message thread.
I don't care for grey either, but some people aren't particular. Wasn't sure about OP. There are some compromises with this one - I'm not a huge blue fan either, but this one looks pretty nice color wise. It could be a good pickup, in terms of value, for a C2S. Assuming the bones are good.
It's in the message thread.
#21
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#22
If you don’t mind the time it takes to complete some of the tasks, it provides you the opportunity to get to know the car intimately, helps to choose what to do now or later which permits the planning of any future budgets, and makes the car exactly what you want it to be. The mileage range also provides you the opportunity to enjoy it without worrying as much about depreciation, and if you actually stick to your annual driving range of 1,000 to 1,500 miles (which I doubt you’ll be able to do ), it will still take 13 to 20 years to hit the 100,000 mile mark. Even then, and with the proper maintenance history, a 100k mile 993 will still hold some respectable value.
#23
There is so much to gain by speaking to any prior owner. In your case, it carried more weight in that he had no skin in the game to get the sale ...
#24
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- Car 1 supposedly had clutch done 2 years ago and some transmission work but I don't have any details. If struts need replacement that would be an excuse to give it the proper ROW ride height anyway, but I'm sure that's a $2k or $3k job, right?
- What do you think the actual realistic market value of #2 is?
1) 1997 Silver C4S with Aerokit at Town Porsche -- I would be concerned that any car that needs clutch work before 70K~80K miles or synchros on the odometer has been hard driven. Not to walk away, just be buyer beware. and find out what the work was. The struts cost between $2K & 3.5K depending on what you want then the labor to install then and an alignment figure another $1K to $1,5K. Replacing them yourself is a driveway jack stand job that will take an entire Saturday morning to do. then an alignment runs $275 in my neck of the woods as these cars need to be aligned by a guy with the correct tool to set the rear kinematic toe, in most locations that is a dealer.
2) 1997 Silver C4S with 22k miles at Sloan Motors -- I would say between $55K & $65K from a private owner. After two or three years of driving it the $10k value/price premium evaporates
#25
1) 1997 Silver C4S with Aerokit at Town Porsche -- I would be concerned that any car that needs clutch work before 70K~80K miles or synchros on the odometer has been hard driven. Not to walk away, just be buyer beware. and find out what the work was. The struts cost between $2K & 3.5K depending on what you want then the labor to install then and an alignment figure another $1K to $1,5K. Replacing them yourself is a driveway jack stand job that will take an entire Saturday morning to do. then an alignment runs $275 in my neck of the woods as these cars need to be aligned by a guy with the correct tool to set the rear kinematic toe, in most locations that is a dealer.
2) 1997 Silver C4S with 22k miles at Sloan Motors -- I would say between $55K & $65K from a private owner. After two or three years of driving it the $10k value/price premium evaporates
#26
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Below is the pricing data from our kind friend Jay (hopefully he doesn't mind my reposting since it is highly relevant to your question). You can see what actual cars have sold for to determine whether the cars are priced right or over priced. FWIW - The first one is priced a tad high but it's a dealer while the other two do seem high to me.
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Quick recommendations:
Good luck and don't rush it,
Tim
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Quick recommendations:
- I'd keep some dry powder in your budget for work you want to do right out of the gate. I doubt you can buy a low miles C4S that won't need at least a few things to get it where you want it
- If at all possible buy from an enthusiast. Less unknowns, their love of the car will show, possibly less initial work to do
- Don't skip the PPI regardless of anything else. I ended up paying for two PPIs on private sale cars and they were instrumental in helping me make what I'm confident was a good purchase. I was surprised to learn that Porsche dealers are happy to do PPI on 993. I had one done in Pittsburgh and one in Florida. They were of different levels of detail/price but sufficient to get me what I needed. Both included compression test/leak down which I think are worthwhile
- Paint meter the car unless you truly don't care. Arguably if you plan to own the car for a long time some paint work (as long as it was done right) doesn't matter. But it does to me and I wanted a car with none (or at worst a front bumper respray). Remember that the current owner may legitimately not know if there's been paint work and the Carfax could be inaccurate. The paint meter is a good final check
Good luck and don't rush it,
Tim
There is a clean C4S on Classiccars.com. White, 48,xxx miles, $109,000. worth a look.
Those Blue Calipers are hideous! The grey interior is blah. I would keep looking.
That makes me wonder too, thanks. Often "liberties" were taken with all kinds of little things...
#28
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I might suggest considering this segment of the market as it was the exact spot I focused on during my search at this time last year. I purchased a ‘98 C2S from the 3rd owner that had openly disclosed all known issues and negotiated them into the final price. The price allowed me to do everything the car needed, including several items I elected to do on my own, and I was able to stay within FMV of a sorted car with everything done.
If you don’t mind the time it takes to complete some of the tasks, it provides you the opportunity to get to know the car intimately, helps to choose what to do now or later which permits the planning of any future budgets, and makes the car exactly what you want it to be. The mileage range also provides you the opportunity to enjoy it without worrying as much about depreciation, and if you actually stick to your annual driving range of 1,000 to 1,500 miles (which I doubt you’ll be able to do ), it will still take 13 to 20 years to hit the 100,000 mile mark. Even then, and with the proper maintenance history, a 100k mile 993 will still hold some respectable value.
If you don’t mind the time it takes to complete some of the tasks, it provides you the opportunity to get to know the car intimately, helps to choose what to do now or later which permits the planning of any future budgets, and makes the car exactly what you want it to be. The mileage range also provides you the opportunity to enjoy it without worrying as much about depreciation, and if you actually stick to your annual driving range of 1,000 to 1,500 miles (which I doubt you’ll be able to do ), it will still take 13 to 20 years to hit the 100,000 mile mark. Even then, and with the proper maintenance history, a 100k mile 993 will still hold some respectable value.
1) 1997 Silver C4S with Aerokit at Town Porsche -- I would be concerned that any car that needs clutch work before 70K~80K miles or synchros on the odometer has been hard driven. Not to walk away, just be buyer beware. and find out what the work was. The struts cost between $2K & 3.5K depending on what you want then the labor to install then and an alignment figure another $1K to $1,5K. Replacing them yourself is a driveway jack stand job that will take an entire Saturday morning to do. then an alignment runs $275 in my neck of the woods as these cars need to be aligned by a guy with the correct tool to set the rear kinematic toe, in most locations that is a dealer.
2) 1997 Silver C4S with 22k miles at Sloan Motors -- I would say between $55K & $65K from a private owner. After two or three years of driving it the $10k value/price premium evaporates
Thanks, don't see them in for sale section...will reach out to him.
#29
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Calipers are fixable.
I don't care for grey either, but some people aren't particular. Wasn't sure about OP. There are some compromises with this one - I'm not a huge blue fan either, but this one looks pretty nice color wise. It could be a good pickup, in terms of value, for a C2S. Assuming the bones are good.
It's in the message thread.
I don't care for grey either, but some people aren't particular. Wasn't sure about OP. There are some compromises with this one - I'm not a huge blue fan either, but this one looks pretty nice color wise. It could be a good pickup, in terms of value, for a C2S. Assuming the bones are good.
It's in the message thread.
#30
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1) 1997 Silver C4S with Aerokit at Town Porsche -- I would be concerned that any car that needs clutch work before 70K~80K miles or synchros on the odometer has been hard driven. Not to walk away, just be buyer beware. and find out what the work was. The struts cost between $2K & 3.5K depending on what you want then the labor to install then and an alignment figure another $1K to $1,5K. Replacing them yourself is a driveway jack stand job that will take an entire Saturday morning to do. then an alignment runs $275 in my neck of the woods as these cars need to be aligned by a guy with the correct tool to set the rear kinematic toe, in most locations that is a dealer.
2) 1997 Silver C4S with 22k miles at Sloan Motors -- I would say between $55K & $65K from a private owner. After two or three years of driving it the $10k value/price premium evaporates
You my friend, are high as a kite. - NO CHANCE you find a WB C4S with this few miles for that price. MAYBE $ 85-90.