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Old 12-20-2018, 02:53 PM
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Is it just me, or do they new 911s with their less high rear and side windows make you feel you have less visibility? Am used to the 993’s great all around view and visibilty. Modern cars need parking sensors and cameras, the 993s don’t. I feel claustrophobic in caymans and the new 911s, like the 992.
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You are correct. I had a 991, and you sit lower in it, the door sills are higher, and A/B/C pillars are much thicker than the 993.
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Originally Posted by 993RS
Is it just me, or do they new 911s with their less high rear and side windows make you feel you have less visibility? Am used to the 993’s great all around view and visibilty. Modern cars need parking sensors and cameras, the 993s don’t. I feel claustrophobic in caymans and the new 911s, like the 992.
+993! I drove an Aston Martin DB9 and a 991 and felt claustrofobic in both of them!
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Yes visibility out of the 997 is no where near as good as the 993. Mostly due to lower less upright seating position and higher window sills.
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Sacriledge, but a 944 is even better.
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Originally Posted by Endoman

Sacriledge, but a 944 is even better.

Yes the 944 view is hard to beat!
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I have a 993 and two 991's the visabilty is totally superior in the 993 the difference in the two models is amazing!!
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Try sitting in something like a BW 2002, the all round visibility is amazing. The manufacturers are going in the wrong direction in regards to seeing outside the car yet adding cameras, etc.

Have you sat in a new Camaro? It’s like a submarine.
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I believe the reason for reduced visibility for new cars is the rollover protection that makes pillars much much bigger than before.
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Originally Posted by norbtx
I believe the reason for reduced visibility for new cars is the rollover protection that makes pillars much much bigger than before.
Plus side impact protection that requires thicker and taller doors, plus airbags stuck in pillars, higher hoods for pedestrian protection, etc... no doubt that modern cars are much safer but at the cost of feeling a bit like you are in a tank.

In 20 years we'll all be in windowless, self driving, electric steel chambers with cameras on the outside and a few screens on the inside for those who wish to tear themselves from their social media for a few seconds and get a rough idea of where they are.

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Yet I feel the build quality of our 993s and earlier models is superior. Feels solid when closing the door,
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Our front and rear windshields, like in the BMW 2002 referenced, are substantially more vertical than in newer cars. Continually increased raking for "looks" and aerodynamics, as well as shrinking the size of rear glass, create impaired visibility.
Enter...cameras and systems to see, hear, mop up.
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So I read this thread and then went out for a drive to the grocery store in my daily-driver 981 Cayman S. All in all, I thought visibility was pretty good. Not perfect, but pretty good. Yes, I sit lower than in the 993. And there is a blind spot caused by the c pillar -- which there is in the 993, too. And compared to the cars I was raised on (I've owned over a dozen early BMWs from the 70s and 80s, including 7 2002s) none of the Porsches I've owned compare to the great BMW visibility. The worst was a 993 cabriolet.....

Originally Posted by 993RS
Yet I feel the build quality of our 993s and earlier models is superior. Feels solid when closing the door,
Originally Posted by norbtx
I believe the reason for reduced visibility for new cars is the rollover protection that makes pillars much much bigger than before.
Originally Posted by KNS
Try sitting in something like a BW 2002, the all round visibility is amazing. The manufacturers are going in the wrong direction in regards to seeing outside the car yet adding cameras, etc.
Originally Posted by Churchill
You are correct. I had a 991, and you sit lower in it, the door sills are higher, and A/B/C pillars are much thicker than the 993.



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