premium or discount for 1995 993 C2 coupe
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Found a really nice privately owned and apparently well cared for 1995 993 C2 coupe. Throughout my search, I typically avoided 1995 models because (1) I didn't love the basket handle and (2) I thought they were somehow inferior to 1996 and beyond.
All things equal (mileage, condition, color combo, history, etc.), should there be a discount for a 1995 ... or a premium to its value? If so, how much?
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All things equal (mileage, condition, color combo, history, etc.), should there be a discount for a 1995 ... or a premium to its value? If so, how much?
Thanks so much.
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Neither, it's all about condition.
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Personally, I'd pay more for an early-build '95 than a '96-'98 example with equal miles, condition, and options. This after nearly 13 years of wrenching on my 6/94-build clunker, as well as a dozen or more 993s of varying miles, condition, etc.
The simplicity of OBD-1, lack of immobilizer, and the relatively simple intake manifold are key to me.
Andreas
The simplicity of OBD-1, lack of immobilizer, and the relatively simple intake manifold are key to me.
Andreas
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There are certainly model years that are better than others. 97s are better than 96s because they have a tunable ECU and thats about the only difference. Comparing pre varioram and varioram cars is difficult. On one side you have an easier car car to work on with no driveblock, SAI, OBDII and varioram to go wrong. On the other side you have the added torque of the varioram, bigger valves, along with no basket handle (late 95s also don't have basket handles) and the ability to always install 18s (I don't think all 95s can have the power steering brace installed but someone can correct me if I'm wrong). Both have their pros and cons, I love the noise my car makes when it hits 5k but I also wouldn't mind the simplicity of a 95. In the end it is all down to personal preference and I think the market shows that with some 95s going for more than later cars.
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I think my answer to your question would vary on factors such as where you live (smog considerations) and what kind of mods (if any) you plan to do to the car.
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As someone mentioned its all about condition and quality low miles if possible. all these 993s are great cars and I own 2 1995 993 cars a Cabriolet and a 993 RS Clusport 3.8L ANDIAL tribute car that started life as a regular 993.
The 1995 993 OBD1 cars are virtually the same as the varioram cars. The varioram gave a boost to midrange torque...........thats all. The issues are the driveblock and sai emissions airpump injection that gets clogged/ plugged.
You know often Porsche makes great cars and we dont all have to act like yuppies and GET the very latest new car>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I remember my Porsche dealer calling and " you gotta upgrade to the varioram system..........the new 1996 and then 1997 cars.........more power. I drove the cars........slight bump in power nothing more. I tried to get a 993RSCS 3.8l but as you know Porsche did not import those cars.
I never listened and when the 1999 996 to 2004 996 cars came out same lecture "gotta get the watercooled new car."
if you find a nice 1995 993 colored right just get it and you can simply remove the basket handle and save it for originality . If you find a sweet 1996/97 car and the color is right and you like it your rennlist Pelican friends can help you sort out minor troubles. a set of catbypass pipes, a CUP airbox, FReeflow mufflers and a tune and any 993 NA car is over 300HP .
The 1995 car is easy to tune and run open headers and no sais issues ...........I drilled and plugged my heads permanently and these cars all have power steering
The 1995 993 OBD1 cars are virtually the same as the varioram cars. The varioram gave a boost to midrange torque...........thats all. The issues are the driveblock and sai emissions airpump injection that gets clogged/ plugged.
You know often Porsche makes great cars and we dont all have to act like yuppies and GET the very latest new car>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I remember my Porsche dealer calling and " you gotta upgrade to the varioram system..........the new 1996 and then 1997 cars.........more power. I drove the cars........slight bump in power nothing more. I tried to get a 993RSCS 3.8l but as you know Porsche did not import those cars.
I never listened and when the 1999 996 to 2004 996 cars came out same lecture "gotta get the watercooled new car."
if you find a nice 1995 993 colored right just get it and you can simply remove the basket handle and save it for originality . If you find a sweet 1996/97 car and the color is right and you like it your rennlist Pelican friends can help you sort out minor troubles. a set of catbypass pipes, a CUP airbox, FReeflow mufflers and a tune and any 993 NA car is over 300HP .
The 1995 car is easy to tune and run open headers and no sais issues ...........I drilled and plugged my heads permanently and these cars all have power steering
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Personally, I'd pay more for an early-build '95 than a '96-'98 example with equal miles, condition, and options. This after nearly 13 years of wrenching on my 6/94-build clunker, as well as a dozen or more 993s of varying miles, condition, etc.
The simplicity of OBD-1, lack of immobilizer, and the relatively simple intake manifold are key to me.
Andreas
The simplicity of OBD-1, lack of immobilizer, and the relatively simple intake manifold are key to me.
Andreas
p.s.: I forgot to mention, you can easily chip a '95 which will bring the performance equal to a VARIORAM car.
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Can't go wrong either way - good comments above. I will say, however, there is something about driving the last AC Porsche with the final iteration of their AC motor. It is as far as Porsche went with the design.
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As mentioned you should buy on condition. However I specifically sought out a ‘95 for its simplicity. For example I had to change out the throttle cable a couple of years ago (original was fraying and coming apart). It wasn’t that hard of a job but I recall thinking it would have been a bitch if the Varioram intake was in the way.
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I agree with what others have said, I would buy any year 993 and prioritize condition, maintenance history and good colors and option list.
That being said, I love my 95 car. In addition to being simpler, and having fewer systems to cause problems (no immobi, no SAI monitoring, no VRam issues), I actually prefer the power delivery of the non-Varioram. The surge once you hit 4000 RPM gives it more character IMO. It's slower, but more fun when you are pushing it.
The basket handle is in the eye of the beholder. I don't prefer it, but I have run into a number of other 95 993 owners, and it always leads to a fun conversation when they identify your car as a 95.
Anecdotally, it does seem to me that the 96+ cars sell for a slightly higher price.
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another FYI- all the cars are good..........BUT all the 1994 to 1995 Porsche 993 cars had the lightweight black ABS plastic air-intakes. The factory SUPERCUP 3.8L race cars all used the same intake . On my car when it was a factory 3.6Liter car .........with a set of catbypass pipes freeflow mufflers, CUP airbox and simple ECU chip I used to pass 993TT cars at Watkins Glen and Summit point with lightweight and 300HP. there is definitely something good about OBD1 and 100% guaranteed no Check engine lights or SAID circuits. Teh headers and cats on the 1995 993 cars are the same as all factory SUPERCUP 993 3.8l that were made from 1994 to 1997 too.
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