premium or discount for 1995 993 C2 coupe
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nine9six...
Could you, Ilko, or others elaborate on how one goes about doing what you reference above? What actual gains are achieved, and are they obvious?
Could you, Ilko, or others elaborate on how one goes about doing what you reference above? What actual gains are achieved, and are they obvious?
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I think all that "micro-detail" on differences is wasted energy. Finding a solid 993 will put a smile on your face every time you get behind the wheel. Once you're on a country twisty road, the car regardless what year, will give you all that you can handle... Buy the car, not the year, but if it is a basket free '95, so much the better. My two cents worth....
#19
This has all been discussed many times over.
Please do a google search on, "adding a varioram to a 993" or "bypassing the drive block system on a 993" or, "removing the SAI system from a 993", and you receive links right back to rentlist discussions on the topic(s).
#21
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There is no reason to avoid a '95. They are to most folks eyes and ears identical to a 1996-1998. One advantage a 1995 enjoys over the newer cars is undervaluation.
My '95 doesn't have a basket handle, has varioram, and obd1. Its glorious. I added the variorum intake and dme. The gains were not as significant as many suggest. There might be a little internet folk lore going on. There were gains, but they were subtle: a little more torque for driving around town, and more music around the ~4500 rpm range when the induction tuning flap changes position.
That said, it was worth it and it was relatively easy to do. All in cost was ~$1500 for the hardware, and about 30 hours of time because I wanted to savor the experience and went really slow. I imagine that it could be done in about 10 hours.
My '95 doesn't have a basket handle, has varioram, and obd1. Its glorious. I added the variorum intake and dme. The gains were not as significant as many suggest. There might be a little internet folk lore going on. There were gains, but they were subtle: a little more torque for driving around town, and more music around the ~4500 rpm range when the induction tuning flap changes position.
That said, it was worth it and it was relatively easy to do. All in cost was ~$1500 for the hardware, and about 30 hours of time because I wanted to savor the experience and went really slow. I imagine that it could be done in about 10 hours.
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I have a 95 993 C-4 Cabriolet that I have owned since new. What is a basket handle??? I'm always willing to learn! Thanks
#23
Three Wheelin'
Having owned both, I agree with the general consensus: buy the better car, not the “better” year.
The one difference I’d note is if you want to add a lwf, the 96-up cars are preferable.
If you want more more power in your 95, I’d put in sport cats before a varioram retrofit and see if that satisfies the desire.
The one difference I’d note is if you want to add a lwf, the 96-up cars are preferable.
If you want more more power in your 95, I’d put in sport cats before a varioram retrofit and see if that satisfies the desire.
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I really (really!) appreciate all of the replies.
Perhaps I didn't phrase the question as well as possible, because many people thought I asked which year was better.
I didn't.
I asked, given the decision to buy a 1995, do these 1995 cars, all other things being equal (miles, condition, service history, colors, options, etc.) typically sell for a discount or a premium to 993 C2s of 1996 and 1997.
As far as I could tell, only a few people addressed that question. It seems that they may sell for a slight discount but I welcome other opinions.
Thanks so much for your insights and time.
Perhaps I didn't phrase the question as well as possible, because many people thought I asked which year was better.
I didn't.
I asked, given the decision to buy a 1995, do these 1995 cars, all other things being equal (miles, condition, service history, colors, options, etc.) typically sell for a discount or a premium to 993 C2s of 1996 and 1997.
As far as I could tell, only a few people addressed that question. It seems that they may sell for a slight discount but I welcome other opinions.
Thanks so much for your insights and time.
#25
For pricing 95 should probably have a discount, they made more 94-95s than 96-98s. Less rare, less powerful, older. That is certainly not to say they are the worse car just that they on average go for less.
Here is the sales for each model, where it says 272PS it is a 94-95, 96-98 for 285PS. Excluding WBs, turbos and targas, they made about 27k 94-95s and about 19k 96-98s.
Here is the sales for each model, where it says 272PS it is a 94-95, 96-98 for 285PS. Excluding WBs, turbos and targas, they made about 27k 94-95s and about 19k 96-98s.
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Found a really nice privately owned and apparently well cared for 1995 993 C2 coupe. Throughout my search, I typically avoided 1995 models because (1) I didn't love the basket handle and (2) I thought they were somehow inferior to 1996 and beyond.
All things equal (mileage, condition, color combo, history, etc.), should there be a discount for a 1995 ... or a premium to its value? If so, how much?
Thanks so much.
All things equal (mileage, condition, color combo, history, etc.), should there be a discount for a 1995 ... or a premium to its value? If so, how much?
Thanks so much.
I mention this because if you're looking for straight-line performance, you'll be greatly disappointed with the 993.
If you're not looking for acceleration, then you'll find it's a great car.