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Old 01-11-2018, 06:47 PM
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Question Why don't 993 rear wheels sit in the middle of the arches?

Hunting for a 993 has me looking at *many* pictures. Obviously, the rear and silhouette looks incredible, but one thing throws me off: The rear wheels, when looked at from the side, do not sit in the middle of the wheel arches, but slightly shifted to the front of the car. Why is this and why isn't anyone bothered by this? Please note the picture of the turbo, where this doesn't seem to be the case. I am so confused..



Old 01-11-2018, 08:02 PM
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Good question. I am sure the engineers had a reason. The front is the same I believe, not dead center.
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Alignment will move the rear.
Old 01-11-2018, 09:14 PM
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You're looking at inept alignment jobs. Wheels will be centered with the correct alignment.
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Originally Posted by Alfa40
Hunting for a 993 has me looking at *many* pictures. Obviously, the rear and silhouette looks incredible, but one thing throws me off: The rear wheels, when looked at from the side, do not sit in the middle of the wheel arches, but slightly shifted to the front of the car. Why is this and why isn't anyone bothered by this? Please note the picture of the turbo, where this doesn't seem to be the case. I am so confused..



Where the wheel sits in the rear wheel well is the result of KT adjustment

The further forward the less caster ie the less KT.

The less KT or caster the twitchier, faster reacting the rear will be
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As always Bill, thanks for the details.
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I *think* the rear suspension is designed to travel rearward in bump. So US full height cars typically have a forward of center wheel and lowered cars are more centered.
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Could the engine of the Turbo sitting 40mm (~ 1.5") further back in the car be a factor as well?
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Mine look centered. It's lowered.


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Mine looks pretty centered to me...

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My plain ol' C2's rear wheels look centered, too.
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Mine is as far forward as you'd want w/ the min KT 3.5° both sides
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E30M3, I am not sure that's super centered, both wheels look a little forward to me.
Bill's is a great case in point, as you obviously know what you're doing and still have them sit forward.

Awesome, thank you guys. I will need to learn what those KT angles mean now. Not a clue
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Originally Posted by Alfa40
E30M3, I am not sure that's super centered, both wheels look a little forward to me.
Bill's is a great case in point, as you obviously know what you're doing and still have them sit forward.

Awesome, thank you guys. I will need to learn what those KT angles mean now. Not a clue
993 has a 5 arm rear suspension, #3 is camber, #4 is KT, #2 is toe, When #4(KT arm) is lengthened, both caster and KT effect decrease, and at the same time raise the height of the rear suspension by straightening the caster angle toward zero, the hub rotates forward and down

Together they articulate around an axis called the instant axis, the dash-dot inclined line seen here

The geometry and nature of the connections, particularly the soft joint at the inner end on #5 determines the camber and toe curves



The arms are in 2 planes, when extended they meet at the longitudinal instant center
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