2020 NEXT GENERATION 992 SPY PICS & RELEASE
#3121
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The interior quality will be no better or no worse than the new Cayenne or Panamera. Not sure what all the drama is about?
I think with the newer spy shots, we know what it will look like pretty much.
I think with the newer spy shots, we know what it will look like pretty much.
#3122
And I hope it goes mid-engine like the 911 RSR. I offer no predictions on the collector/flipper aspect and the collective whining would be truly epic.
For those not in the know:
https://www.roadandtrack.com/motorsp...rank-walliser/
No reason for 992 GT3 not to have engine little more forward. it's not like GT3 has back seat anyways.
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I do share the perspective that the interior design is a bit weak, compared with cars like say the Mercedes AMG-GT. However Porsche interior designs have never been great.
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Overall, there is a general move to more cost savings materials. For example, the 991.2 sport steering wheels aren't as great quality than the .1's. More plastic and more lightweight. You tap it with your finger and can even tell.
The 992 going to one body width and designed for hybrid is going towards a one size fits all design. Good or bad, that's what it is. The variants on the 911 are crazy as is, so a little more streamlining isn't probably a bad thing.
My main concern is the general large price increases in MSRP and getting less value per $$. 911 sales in general have been flat as the whole sports car segment is hurting. They realize this and have to make some design moves to broaden the appeal and keep up with the competition.
The thing is, technology is changing so quick these days that the tech on these cars will all age pretty quickly.
The 992 going to one body width and designed for hybrid is going towards a one size fits all design. Good or bad, that's what it is. The variants on the 911 are crazy as is, so a little more streamlining isn't probably a bad thing.
My main concern is the general large price increases in MSRP and getting less value per $$. 911 sales in general have been flat as the whole sports car segment is hurting. They realize this and have to make some design moves to broaden the appeal and keep up with the competition.
The thing is, technology is changing so quick these days that the tech on these cars will all age pretty quickly.
#3125
Overall, there is a general move to more cost savings materials. For example, the 991.2 sport steering wheels aren't as great quality than the .1's. More plastic and more lightweight. You tap it with your finger and can even tell.
The 992 going to one body width and designed for hybrid is going towards a one size fits all design. Good or bad, that's what it is. The variants on the 911 are crazy as is, so a little more streamlining isn't probably a bad thing.
My main concern is the general large price increases in MSRP and getting less value per $$. 911 sales in general have been flat as the whole sports car segment is hurting. They realize this and have to make some design moves to broaden the appeal and keep up with the competition.
The 992 going to one body width and designed for hybrid is going towards a one size fits all design. Good or bad, that's what it is. The variants on the 911 are crazy as is, so a little more streamlining isn't probably a bad thing.
My main concern is the general large price increases in MSRP and getting less value per $$. 911 sales in general have been flat as the whole sports car segment is hurting. They realize this and have to make some design moves to broaden the appeal and keep up with the competition.
I have a rather sacrilegious theory on the potential for a 912.
#3126
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Originally Posted by Argon_
Do you think we'll get a 912 if the Cayman dies?
I have a rather sacrilegious theory on the potential for a 912.
I have a rather sacrilegious theory on the potential for a 912.
Seems like the 718 is doing better sales wise after getting off to a slower start.
There will be no "entry level" 911 I believe. Seems like the Base Carrera cannibalized S/4S sales enough on the 991.2 hence the bigger gap in HP between them for 992. The BASE Carrera serves that purpose. Doubt we'll ever see a 4 banger 911, even though they were thinking about it at one point.
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Seems like the 718 is doing better sales wise after getting off to a slower start.
There will be no "entry level" 911 I believe. Seems like the Base Carrera cannibalized S/4S sales enough on the 991.2 hence the bigger gap in HP between them for 992. The BASE Carrera serves that purpose. Doubt we'll ever see a 4 banger 911, even though they were thinking about it at one point.
There will be no "entry level" 911 I believe. Seems like the Base Carrera cannibalized S/4S sales enough on the 991.2 hence the bigger gap in HP between them for 992. The BASE Carrera serves that purpose. Doubt we'll ever see a 4 banger 911, even though they were thinking about it at one point.
#3128
In fact, for a $67k base Cayman price it'd make a compelling daily, rear seats being a big part of that.
#3129
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curious why everyone seems so against a hybrid 911. Won't it just provide better power, especially down low?
Aside from a problematic weight gain, I could see hybrid power being a good thing.
Aside from a problematic weight gain, I could see hybrid power being a good thing.
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But I suspect that the weight penalty with today's battery technology is likely to mean it will be reserved for the highest end Turbo/Turbo "GT" type models, even if they continue to outperform what Porsche markets as "puristic".
So I wouldn't expect to see a hybrid option - or want it- in a "T" (manual or PDK), which has its own special feel and performance and appeal to be very good option.
#3134
The 918,19 are million+ outliers. The vast majority of sport hybrids are in the weight class of a Dodge Challenger. Porsche's 91x cars are also freakishly complex, and heavier than a dual clutched or sequential version would be.
The weight, complexity, and short lifespan of batteries are all big detractors. That's all before you get into the lack of MTs, which cripples driver involvement.
In an age when speed is cheap, light weight and connection rule.
The weight, complexity, and short lifespan of batteries are all big detractors. That's all before you get into the lack of MTs, which cripples driver involvement.
In an age when speed is cheap, light weight and connection rule.
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On the flip-side, manuals in Porsche's sports cars are what? Maybe 25% of production? At best?
I would not be shocked if hybrid Porsche Sports Cars are not offered with manuals.