2020 NEXT GENERATION 992 SPY PICS & RELEASE
#1321
Race Director
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I think NUBBIE is still in prototype phase, although that and whole interior will closely follow Panamera and Cayenne interior design. That's a given.
#1323
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#1324
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#1325
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As far as the dash, what material would you have envisioned? Other than optional leather wrapped? The standard plastic/vinyl isn't good for keeping looking nice. Kind of a chalky black that is hard to evenly use product on to keep it looking fresh and a deeper black. Could be much better quality in my opinion.
What do you think the seats will be like? Any major changes? That's something we haven't discussed at all.
What do you think the seats will be like? Any major changes? That's something we haven't discussed at all.
Seats are a good question, though we will just be speculating. With that said, Porsche is pretty conservative when it comes to seats, often carrying them over largely unchanged. The question is whether it will do so in the leap from 991 > 992.
That makes two of us. I also like vinyl dashboards in many cases, and am thankful it will still be available in the next 911.
#1327
Race Director
Thread Starter
Originally Posted by 911-TOUR
Hey - I prefer the vinyl dash :-)
The non leather (vinyl) dash and panels are a no frills classic sports car material. With all the synthetic materials out there, I think it could use a small upgrade to its current material.
Would never go to standard leather. Stitching and leather and big bu$iness.
#1328
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A decade from now, we'll be happy to just have a pure ICE of any kind -- be it NA or FI.
Electric is here. It's not going anywhere. Only going to become more prevalent, and omnipresent.
Like when cockroaches move in. You either get used to them, or move out.
Electric is here. It's not going anywhere. Only going to become more prevalent, and omnipresent.
Like when cockroaches move in. You either get used to them, or move out.
#1329
Agree with STG though it could use a slight upgrade if one exists to make it more "premium" feeling in the standard interior
#1330
Burning Brakes
Always had a full leather and deviated stitching on previous cars, but with my last 991.1 GTS I got a vinyl dash and it is fine. From now on I would not care really.
#1331
As far as the dash, what material would you have envisioned? Other than optional leather wrapped? The standard plastic/vinyl isn't good for keeping looking nice. Kind of a chalky black that is hard to evenly use product on to keep it looking fresh and a deeper black. Could be much better quality in my opinion.
What do you think the seats will be like? Any major changes? That's something we haven't discussed at all.
What do you think the seats will be like? Any major changes? That's something we haven't discussed at all.
There was an impressively insightful post a while back, and I want to say it was Worf but with my lame brane who knows? Anyway, he made the point that Porsche has been doing a pretty good job of consistent gradual movement of the center of mass, or weight distribution, forward. Except for the 991.2 where, and this is the impressive part, it went back the wrong way because they had not sufficient time to fully redistribute weight to account for the added weight of the turbo's. So he was expecting (hoping?) they would accomplish this and get back on track with the next gen. Because really, when it comes to weight, at least with Porsche and the 911, keeping it lean is pretty much a given and so what is really most important is how they are able to move that weight around and continue working towards a more even weight balance.
The RSR moved to mid engine because the rear engine weight bias ate tires too quickly. That exact quality, while undesirable for endurance racing, is unbeatable in a sprint.
In a rear engine car, you can brake later and bring the power on earlier.
For years the 911 has ousted everything from mid engine supercars to Corvettes with twice the horsepower. The rear engine is a big part of that; It's a hell of a beast, but powerful for those who can tame it.
In a rear engine car, you can brake later and bring the power on earlier.
For years the 911 has ousted everything from mid engine supercars to Corvettes with twice the horsepower. The rear engine is a big part of that; It's a hell of a beast, but powerful for those who can tame it.
Mid engines are far more palatable, better for competitive racing (full blown race cars), more balanced and precise, and easier to enjoy. But the rear engine in a street sports car has proved to be the 911’s secret sauce in multi dimensions.
Right. My view has always been the rear engine goes back to the first car Porsche made, the VW. That car had to be extremely efficient and utilitarian. Then when he set out to make a much more performance-oriented model it was a whole lot easier and cheaper to improve what he had. So the 911 was kind a a one-off accident of circumstances kind of thing. Not at all like some imagine, the genius sitting down to a clean sheet of paper, gazing presciently out the window, having a brilliant epiphany of 60 years of rear-engine domination. I mean, if the rear-engine design is so great then why isn't everyone else doing it? And why, when every time Porsche does pour massive funds into blank-sheet state of the art "statement" designs they never are rear-engine but instead Carrera GT, 918, etc? Obvious as can be, yet nobody ever seems to get it. They just keep on about the genius of the rear-engine.
Its a real problem for Porsche. Well maybe less for Porsche than as you said, "for mortal wallets" ie, us. Porsche will do just fine cranking out their Golden Egg for us, with every now and then a CGT or 918 for the immortal wallets. Like HP selling for $130 a calculator they've made so long now the amortized cost is 35 cents they rake in so much on the 911 they can afford to keep everything else just slightly slower. Well why not? We keep letting them get away with it. With such a huge vested contingent of enablers why would it ever change?
Its a real problem for Porsche. Well maybe less for Porsche than as you said, "for mortal wallets" ie, us. Porsche will do just fine cranking out their Golden Egg for us, with every now and then a CGT or 918 for the immortal wallets. Like HP selling for $130 a calculator they've made so long now the amortized cost is 35 cents they rake in so much on the 911 they can afford to keep everything else just slightly slower. Well why not? We keep letting them get away with it. With such a huge vested contingent of enablers why would it ever change?
#1332
Drifting
In the U.K., a leather dash is standard on all new 911s, except the GTS for some reason. So even a base C2 has a leather dash and door tops etc over here.
I've driven a 2017 Panamera 4 for nearly a year. By the time my T arrives (hopefully early April) I'll have done around 18k miles in the Panny. Very nice sports saloon with high quality feel and interior, but can't wait to get back into a more analogue sports car cabin. Traditional buttons and dials, with a manual transmission. Bring it on.
And after a year's ownership, I find the shiny black finish and haptic switches etc less ergonomic than my previous 991.1 C2.
#1333
I've driven a 2017 Panamera 4 for nearly a year. By the time my T arrives (hopefully early April) I'll have done around 18k miles in the Panny. Very nice sports saloon with high quality feel and interior, but can't wait to get back into a more analogue sports car cabin. Traditional buttons and dials, with a manual transmission. Bring it on.
I stopped the chase for “future tech” in a car long ago. I crave as visceral and analogue a feel I can get (that meets all my criteria’s). I’m on a smartphone all day, if I want my car to also turn into one, I’d just get some tech’d out econobox and call it a day. A high priced car to me needs to rivet me. Otherwise there’s no sense. Going fast and feeling nothing is about as pointless (and reckless) as it gets.
Funny as I went from a BMW with HUD, Keyless, big screen, lots of tech fluff, to a Macan with a little bit less tech fluff (it was my first non-keyless car in 5 years) and even had an S Class with radar cruise, massage seats, etc. Didn’t miss any of it.
Went to my 911, still no keyless (I would probably PAY to have to insert the key into the left socket, that’s a big visceral element to the car imo) and I love “whipping out” the genius “childhood evoking” toy car key (are Porsche genuises in tapping into our inner aspirational childs or what? They certainly “cracked the code” on how to get adults to splurge on often ridiculously priced items. Hint: Emotion. Playfulness backed up by excellence. And nostalgia), and now for the first time in over 7 years, no backup camera or parking sensors (thankfully the car is small as I do value those) either. Yet, currently my most enjoyable ownership experience, no contest.
#1334
Drifting
Good to hear, K-A!
Although I did opt for parking sensors on my T!
Saw my Sales Exec on Friday and even he admitted that the Porsche sales guys don't fully understand all this tech stuff (Connect, Connect Plus, Apple Car Play or whatever). I said I've had the Panny for 11 months and not used 90% of its tech.
More and more I'm liking Pete's idea of a properly 'basic' 911. Fully manual seats, even wind down windows! And I look forward to inserting & turning an actual key again in the 911T!
Although I did opt for parking sensors on my T!
Saw my Sales Exec on Friday and even he admitted that the Porsche sales guys don't fully understand all this tech stuff (Connect, Connect Plus, Apple Car Play or whatever). I said I've had the Panny for 11 months and not used 90% of its tech.
More and more I'm liking Pete's idea of a properly 'basic' 911. Fully manual seats, even wind down windows! And I look forward to inserting & turning an actual key again in the 911T!
#1335
And in the next 10 years, when the government makes it explicitly or de facto illegal to drive your own car, we will be wishing for any vehicle with a couple of pedals and a steering wheel.