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Old 06-10-2024, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by R N M
This would make sense if the most tech 911 was top of the food chain but they are not.

The most sought after 911s are the most analog with least amount of tech - these are the GT3, GT3 Touring, Sport Classic and 911 S/T. The GT3RS which does have a lot of tech for aero and handling is geared for track use.

This is what BMW M did with their brand - went all tech and gimmicks. There is no coming back from that.

Unfortunately young ppl are most amazed at dumb LCD screen with some games in the car than the steering feel or other inputs of driving.

I don’t mind Porsche focusing on luxury/tech 911 consumer - that is where S and Turbo models should be for. I wish they would offer more analog models that were attainable in the main Carrera lineup not just GT cars.
Don't conflate the most "sought after" (i.e., desired) with the most purchased.

The GT cars are in the former, the "regular" 911 line is the latter.

People lust after a GT car, but they buy a 911.

Porsche knows this, and knows it all too well.
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
Don't conflate the most "sought after" (i.e., desired) with the most purchased.

The GT cars are in the former, the "regular" 911 line is the latter.

People lust after a GT car, but they buy a 911.

Porsche knows this, and knows it all too well.
..there is a S/T that showed up on my local facebook market place for just $500k ;-)
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Originally Posted by R N M

Unfortunately young ppl are most amazed at dumb LCD screen with some games in the car than the steering feel or other inputs of driving.
Please do not be an aegist.

There are as many, if not more, elderly people who are just as enamored with tech and the latest gizmo doodads as Gen Z and Gen Alpha "kids".

I would say the Gen Z/Alpha that are most tech savvy and focused don't even care about cars, they're driving EVs and e-bikes, or just using Waymo.
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Interesting perspective. As someone in my mid 40s, I never thought of the 911 as an old mans sports car. That title has always been firmly planted with the Corvette.

I do feel that any perspective derived from your social media feed is a distorted view of reality. The reason you think Porsche has "conquered social media" is mostly that the algorithms have determined that YOU are a potential buyer and they are feeding you content like crazy. You have a rennlist account, so these companies have marked you forever more as a potential or current Porsche owner. Start googling Pontiac Aztec and you'll start to think "wow, these Aztec's are really awesome, they are all over social media."
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Originally Posted by Brad Stinson
Start googling Pontiac Aztec and you'll start to think "wow, these Aztec's are really awesome, they are all over social media."

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Old 06-10-2024, 02:18 PM
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Old 06-10-2024, 02:24 PM
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As the title suggests, Porsche has taken a step in the right direction with the 992.2. Contrary to what the majority may think Porsche is currently doing what is the best for the brand.

There was a major shift in consumer demand for Porsche 911s, for as long as I remember I remember the 911 was known to be the old man sports car. But with the recent success of Porsches marketing campaigns and being able quite literally to conquer social media a lot of the younger generation and new money has changed their dream cars from Lamborghini/Mclaren to 911s. Now the Porsche 911s especially the GT line are linked with status and success on social media rather than high-performance track cars. This is why we recently the crazy inflated prices for them because all the new internet money went and bought them for crazy markups since no price is too high to show your newly acquired status on social media.

Let me tell you those people don't care about a turn key to start or a digital tachometer; rather, they associate digital technology with high performance and luxury. All they care about is getting the new hottest piece with the highest performance. Now back to why I think Porsche is taking the right direction, browsing RL I see the average age for users is between 50-60 Porsche knows this and is catering to people in their 20s and 30s because these are the people who are going to buy new cars for at least 30 years to come. Similar to what a lot of other luxury brands have been doing such as AP with the collaborations of celebrities and Rolex with fun colourful dials etc.

Most of the people buying 911s now have had an emotional connection with the model and brand seeing them win races growing up for instance, but this is a thing of the past and now it's all about social media unfortunately.

With that said, the reason for this post is just to show a different perspective on the matter and perhaps show that the 911 model has a brighter future not dying with the new changes, as some people seem to think.

FYI I'm 25 years of age so maybe I'm just biased and don't know what I'm talking about.
Do you think Rolex would be as successful as a brand if it went all-in on quartz revolution in the 1970s and 80s?

If Rolex did that, it would have been crushed. Hybridizing and electrifying Porsche 911 is like turning an automatic mechanical watch brand like Rolex into an expensive Casio, and this will have its consequences as watering-down of the brand heritage.

Remember, Germany is the country that tried to be "cool" with divestment of fossil fuel and nuclear power plants prematurely, and then got smacked by the lack of consistent electric generation with renewable energy. When the socialists in Germany then turned to Russian natural gas as a gap filler, Russia thought it could keep Germany hostage, and its belief in keeping Germany a Russian economic hostage played a role in "comfortably" attacking Ukraine back in 2022.

Germany, as a result, has been the worst economic victim of the Russo-Ukraine War since 2022 in the Eurozone, and has suffered low / no growth and stagflation, relative to other G7 countries.

My point is, what appears to be a radical "cool" progress often backfires and turns that self-proclaimed cool kid in high school locker room into a burger flipper when the kid goes into adulthood, while the quiet conservative straight A+ student in that same school goes to the best and gets to do much cooler things later in life.

Germany and Volkswagen, in particular, tried to be that "cool kid in the high school locker room," and are turning into a red pulp by Russia and China today. In contrast, the quiet kid in high school who gets to do cool stuff later in life is Toyota and Hyundai / Kia today, with record profits that VW can only dream of in its wet dreams.

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Old 06-10-2024, 02:35 PM
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I spend too much time at Patriots and Porsche forums.

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Old 06-10-2024, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by double-o-seven
Do you think Rolex would be as successful as a brand if it went all-in on quartz revolution in the 1970s and 80s?

If Rolex did that, it would have been crushed. Hybridizing and electrifying Porsche 911 is like turning an automatic mechanical watch brand like Rolex into an expensive Casio, and this will have its consequences as watering-down of the brand heritage.
A Rolex, or any automatic or manual timepiece, is very different than a quartz (G-Shock) or battery operated watch (Apple Watch).

The former is more often worn as jewelry (and very few wear it to actually tell time, or go diving (Submariner) or measuring lap times (Daytona). It's more status symbol than utilitarian tool.

A quartz or battery-operated watch is a utilitarian tool, either to tell time, to measure events down to the 0.0001 seconds, or receive text messages or measure HRV.

The regular 911 production line, despite what many here would like to believe, is still a mass produced utilitarian car, that most people use to get from Point A to Point B.

Porsche GT cars, on the other hand, are more like your Rolexes, Pateks, JLCs, etc. Auto or manual wind timepieces (not watches) that people wear because they want to, not because they have to.

So the fact the 911 is moving into the digital modern world is par for the course.
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Originally Posted by Brad Stinson
Interesting perspective. As someone in my mid 40s, I never thought of the 911 as an old mans sports car. That title has always been firmly planted with the Corvette.

I do feel that any perspective derived from your social media feed is a distorted view of reality. The reason you think Porsche has "conquered social media" is mostly that the algorithms have determined that YOU are a potential buyer and they are feeding you content like crazy. You have a rennlist account, so these companies have marked you forever more as a potential or current Porsche owner. Start googling Pontiac Aztec and you'll start to think "wow, these Aztec's are really awesome, they are all over social media."
To be fair I think the Pontiac Aztec spawned the Cybertruck.
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Originally Posted by 3rdpedal
To be fair I think the Pontiac Aztec spawned the Cybertruck.
No, I think this did.



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Originally Posted by Zoomnbyu
Isn't that exactly what all the negative nabobs are doing doing on here? Just like every other 911 generation since the 356 to 901/11 move there's a significant volume of bitching from the previous gen old guy owners.

Wasn't it the end of the world when water cooled came around?
The 992 was too big.
The 991 was too big.
The 991.2 wasn't NA.
And so on and so on and so on.

It's tough realizing at a certain age, 56 here, that the next generation of every product outside of Depends Diapers, isn't being developed for us. The 20-30 year old's might not (big assumption that can easily be debated) be buying 911s today but developing products that they aspire to is what is going to keep every manufacturer in business.
I agree with this 100%. Porsche doesn't want to become Harley Davidson. Looking at the history of Porsche, they have always advanced forward while maintaining certain traditions from the past. They know where the new money is and need to get their claws into those financial portfolios so they keep buying products for the next several decades.

I'm 45 years old and get out to a lot of car events every month. There are just as many 30 something late model Porsche owners as there are 60 somethings. They just generally don't intermingle. I happen to be in between so I can relate in some ways to both sets. Now which demographic do we think Porsche needs financially more to move into the next several decades?
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Re the dumpster and the CT - That's fantastically literal and metaphorical.

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Originally Posted by rasetsu
I agree with this 100%. Porsche doesn't want to become Harley Davidson. Looking at the history of Porsche, they have always advanced forward while maintaining certain traditions from the past. They know where the new money is and need to get their claws into those financial portfolios so they keep buying products for the next several decades.

I'm 45 years old and get out to a lot of car events every month. There are just as many 30 something late model Porsche owners as there are 60 somethings. They just generally don't intermingle. I happen to be in between so I can relate in some ways to both sets. Now which demographic do we think Porsche needs financially more to move into the next several decades?
HD is an excellent example. I'd add that Porsche also doesn't want to go back to where it was in the late 90s which is where HD is now. Irrelevant to buyers who are it's next 40 years of customers.
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Originally Posted by Brad Stinson
Interesting perspective. As someone in my mid 40s, I never thought of the 911 as an old mans sports car. That title has always been firmly planted with the Corvette.

I do feel that any perspective derived from your social media feed is a distorted view of reality. The reason you think Porsche has "conquered social media" is mostly that the algorithms have determined that YOU are a potential buyer and they are feeding you content like crazy. You have a rennlist account, so these companies have marked you forever more as a potential or current Porsche owner. Start googling Pontiac Aztec and you'll start to think "wow, these Aztec's are really awesome, they are all over social media."
Oh you don't have to tell me that haha I'm very familiar with how the algorithm works (part of what I do). What I found interesting was not that it was on my algorithm, but the likes from my mutuals on these posts I'm talking about people who know nothing about cars and are not Porsche or car enthusiasts by any means; guys and girls!
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