First Porsche -- mistake? Looking for advice
#31
Pro
New development for those interested.
Dealer sent more service records today (they magically keep appearing after I press for more). The new record shows that just before Owner 2 traded it back in, he had the same exact issue as Owner 1, and they had to drop the powertrain again to replace yet another electronically faulty fuel injector (on cylinder 3 this time).
I don’t see evidence TSB2236 mentioned earlier in this thread was followed by the dealer. While they replaced the faulty injectors (1 & 2, then 3), it doesn’t seem the wire harness was ever replaced.
In any case, I sent an email formally requesting the dealer rescind / unwind the deal given the material misrepresentation of service history. I trust they’ll do the right thing.
Dealer sent more service records today (they magically keep appearing after I press for more). The new record shows that just before Owner 2 traded it back in, he had the same exact issue as Owner 1, and they had to drop the powertrain again to replace yet another electronically faulty fuel injector (on cylinder 3 this time).
I don’t see evidence TSB2236 mentioned earlier in this thread was followed by the dealer. While they replaced the faulty injectors (1 & 2, then 3), it doesn’t seem the wire harness was ever replaced.
In any case, I sent an email formally requesting the dealer rescind / unwind the deal given the material misrepresentation of service history. I trust they’ll do the right thing.
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Brhade81 (06-10-2024)
#32
Race Director
I would bail. I would make them give you your money back.
There is a reason why Owner 2 dumped it back and probably the same reason Owner one got rid of it
There is a reason why Owner 2 dumped it back and probably the same reason Owner one got rid of it
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Brhade81 (06-11-2024)
#35
Final update (barring any curveballs)
Dealer called me within one hour of my request to unwind and said no problem, and asked no questions. The pre-owner manager was very understanding and said they would never want to ship a car that the owner wasn’t confident in. I was very appreciative.
He also said this is a 40K mi car with all of its 10K interval services at the dealership, brand new tires, and 2 year CPO. He said of course there will be some service history, but if that’s going to spook me he said no problem and a full refund is in order.
Admittedly, at $105K for a CPO 992 C2S with a $145K sticker… I do wonder if I’m passing up on a phenomenal deal but I guess I’ll never know!
The search continues. Thank you to all of the Rennlisters who took time to weigh in, it was extremely helpful in my decision making.
Dealer called me within one hour of my request to unwind and said no problem, and asked no questions. The pre-owner manager was very understanding and said they would never want to ship a car that the owner wasn’t confident in. I was very appreciative.
He also said this is a 40K mi car with all of its 10K interval services at the dealership, brand new tires, and 2 year CPO. He said of course there will be some service history, but if that’s going to spook me he said no problem and a full refund is in order.
Admittedly, at $105K for a CPO 992 C2S with a $145K sticker… I do wonder if I’m passing up on a phenomenal deal but I guess I’ll never know!
The search continues. Thank you to all of the Rennlisters who took time to weigh in, it was extremely helpful in my decision making.
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#36
Final update (barring any curveballs)
Dealer called me within one hour of my request to unwind and said no problem, and asked no questions. The pre-owner manager was very understanding and said they would never want to ship a car that the owner wasn’t confident in. I was very appreciative.
He also said this is a 40K mi car with all of its 10K interval services at the dealership, brand new tires, and 2 year CPO. He said of course there will be some service history, but if that’s going to spook me he said no problem and a full refund is in order.
Admittedly, at $105K for a CPO 992 C2S with a $145K sticker… I do wonder if I’m passing up on a phenomenal deal but I guess I’ll never know!
The search continues. Thank you to all of the Rennlisters who took time to weigh in, it was extremely helpful in my decision making.
Dealer called me within one hour of my request to unwind and said no problem, and asked no questions. The pre-owner manager was very understanding and said they would never want to ship a car that the owner wasn’t confident in. I was very appreciative.
He also said this is a 40K mi car with all of its 10K interval services at the dealership, brand new tires, and 2 year CPO. He said of course there will be some service history, but if that’s going to spook me he said no problem and a full refund is in order.
Admittedly, at $105K for a CPO 992 C2S with a $145K sticker… I do wonder if I’m passing up on a phenomenal deal but I guess I’ll never know!
The search continues. Thank you to all of the Rennlisters who took time to weigh in, it was extremely helpful in my decision making.
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Brhade81 (06-11-2024)
#37
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If it’s too good to be true…. It usually is. 105k is stupid cheap
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Brhade81 (06-11-2024)
#38
well you can sleep now and continue to search. But $105k for CPO C2S is a very nice deal. Can't blame the dealer for not trying to fix it and I think the "hidden" service documents were not intentionally. It is unusual that a car buyer wants to see all glory details, which is fine, but usually a carfax, a CPO record, and maybe a a cursory look at the service history is done. In this case, I am sure even the sales manager may not have known the exact history w/o pulling more details. Just my guess.
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Brhade81 (06-15-2024)
#41
Just pulled the trigger yesterday on my 1st P Car, sight unseen (w/ CPO), from a Porsche dealer in another state. It was one of the lowest priced 992 C2S on the market.
2020 C2S, PDK, higher mileage at 43Kmi, bought and serviced its whole life by the same selling dealer (for both Owner 1 & 2).
I received most of the service records PRE purchase, but AFTER purchase I received a few more detailed records (by my request) that were a bit troubling. I also felt misled that the dealer did not provide all service records upfront, until after the transaction was complete.
I matched the service records up with the Carfax and a narrative seems to be taking shape. Pretty textbook first 30K mi, until around ~34K when the issues began and original owner trades it in, probably not a coincidence.
--no remarkable issues until this point--
--Owner 2 buys--
I've requested service records with actual work performed for the July 2022 service, the Oct 2023 service, and what's been done since to ensure this recurring "Reduced Engine Power" is solved, and that I'm not buying a lemon.
Can I sleep easy with CPO?
Or should I run for the hills?
Car is still at the selling dealer and I have not scheduled transport yet.
2020 C2S, PDK, higher mileage at 43Kmi, bought and serviced its whole life by the same selling dealer (for both Owner 1 & 2).
I received most of the service records PRE purchase, but AFTER purchase I received a few more detailed records (by my request) that were a bit troubling. I also felt misled that the dealer did not provide all service records upfront, until after the transaction was complete.
I matched the service records up with the Carfax and a narrative seems to be taking shape. Pretty textbook first 30K mi, until around ~34K when the issues began and original owner trades it in, probably not a coincidence.
- 10K mi service
- 20K mi service
- 30K mi service
--no remarkable issues until this point--
- July 2022, (~34.6K mi) Owner 1 brings it in with CEL & reports engine and drivetrain noises. Service record provided (presale) only contained info about the issue the customer reported to the Service Advisor, not the actual fix / service(s) performed.
- 3mo / 2k mi later (~36.8K mi), Oct 2022, Owner 1 brings it back reporting "Reduced Engine Power" message when going higher speeds or over bumps. Fault codes indicate 2 defect fuel injectors (P020100 & P020200) which were both replaced. After being replaced, a fuel leak was discovered and the bank 1 fuel rail and hose were subsequently replaced.
- It is at this time Owner 1 trades in car to dealer
--Owner 2 buys--
- ~9mo/5K mi later (~41.6K mi), Oct 2023, Owner 2 brings it in reporting "Reduced Engine Power" message. Service record provided (presale) only contained info about the issue the customer reported to the Service Advisor, not the actual fix / service(s) performed.
- ...~1K mi later Owner 2 dumps it to dealer Mar 2024.
I've requested service records with actual work performed for the July 2022 service, the Oct 2023 service, and what's been done since to ensure this recurring "Reduced Engine Power" is solved, and that I'm not buying a lemon.
Can I sleep easy with CPO?
Or should I run for the hills?
Car is still at the selling dealer and I have not scheduled transport yet.
Find your self a better choice and avoid the hassle.
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