2thHappy

But Porsche left the razor? This was a missed opportunity.

gellie

IDK. Getting very use to the razor.

VarTheVar

I give them props for doing the work they did. It was a ton of work and the car is super high tech. People will be lining up to buy it. That's a success for Porsche. I would never buy it but that's my own problem

jhardy

Design changes: thumbs down on removing analog tach; exterior changes seem to fall into category of "had to change stuff" vs. improvements. The base Carerra looks "GT3 Touring lite"; I love the curves of the 992.1 and the rear changes in particular reduced them. The front looks strange to me - the upper lip of the bumper looks awkward and the intakes are too big. The new rear light bar looks too fat to me. The engine cover looks too busy vs. the subtly retro design of the 992.1. Pricing is too high. Base performance is barely up and Porsche is making a big deal about the bigger turbos but that's just an emissions thing. Referencing the "only" 50kg weight gain of the GTS without mentioning that doesn't include backseats is funny. The 911 is getting too expensive. I guess the price increases help out residual values on 992.1s.

All that said, there will be a line out the door to buy these.

GuardsRed992

I would think that the new Base will have as much power as the old GTS if tuned correctly

John Mclane

I care for the tech allowing ICE to live another decade, but the noise on the GTS is plain sad. Aftermarket muffler and particulate filter might not even be feasible considering how they are mounted and monitored.

mcacs1

The 992.1 Base does already.

tna3

I agree with you on this. The twist motion to start the engine is synonymous to "cranking the engine", but with the move to hybrid Porsche makes the statement that it's an instant 400V jolt. Then they decided not to make separate methods for hybrid vs non. However, I see no reason to keep the button on the left. Just come clean and break with the heritage at this point, there was no hybrids back when Porsche started racing.

Autobacs

What a good thread to start.
Rims make or break the car and the new rims do not look appealing at all..
The car is 911 smooth and rounded....then you look at what they did with the front and rear bumpers and started introducing some squareness and now it has hints of a Taycan...not good

dudeoverthere

Why Did Porsche Switch To A Start Button?

What drove this change? According to Wiesmann, with the Taycan and Cayenne moving towards the starter button, the same was implemented in the new 911 to maintain some form of familiarity:

“The starter button is an integral part of the new Porsche Driver Experience cockpit layout, which has also been previously introduced on other new models such as the latest Panamera and Cayenne variants,” said Wiesmann. “For many of our customers who own several of our vehicles, familiarity and consistency between different models is important, so the layout is similar.”

https://www.carscoops.com/2024/05/po...her-surprises/

aggie57

On things like the digital tach and the start button, the design team often doesn’t have much say. They’re told to use parts common to other VW group models; thats why the 911 specific window switches on 997 and before were replaced by the generic armrest style ones. I’d hazard a guess it’s the same here.

ClassJ

It’s just bad design choices. Some of this is driven by market pressure.

I won’t pretend to understand the complexity of powertrain emission standards but this application of Hybrid tech seems worthless unless you are into that sort of stuff.

It’s becoming more apparent that my 991.2 T might be my last new Porsche for a while.

Usually I like the .2 variant much more than the .1 versions. In this case I really don’t see it yet.

John Mclane

Those things are to simplify the lineup to increase profit margins. This thing clients want all the same is a nice excuse. Saving cash is more realistic.

AlexCeres

So much griping. The engineering team did a fantastic job. The eturbo design is quite trick. The pancake in the transmission is following the McLaren and Ferrari example, but at a much lower price point. No, they didn’t invent cold fusion. But they did some extremely nice work on the packaging and efficiency and a lot of micro-optimizations. The 11Kw regen in leu of the wastegate ? Nice.

Do I want to buy *this* car ? No, but I was never in the market for a gts. Do I want to see this work extended into a TTS and 2RS ? **** yes, yes I do.

AlexCeres

This generation’s gts is more bad *** than last generation’s turbo, and is much much faster than a gt3 on public roads. It is a worthy successor to the 992.1 gts.