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Old Apr 27, 2024 | 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Brad Stinson
No way I’d buy one. I’ve done two of these sessions. Almost every single run, some time is spent doing launch control runs to ~100mph then FULL braking. These sessions are booked all day long 5 or 6 days a week. I’d think the average PEC car has experienced hundreds of launches, and that’s what would concern me the most as you are really putting maximum strain on the drivetrain.
I also took the Turbo S course at PEC Atlanta. It's amazing how much abuse these cars can take. There was a video on youtube where they say they launched one 50 times in a row without any ill effect. It's a testament to German engineering. I launch every now and then usually showing someone what the car can do. I'm not into abusing mine and there is nothing wrong running them the way they were designed.

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Old Apr 27, 2024 | 09:24 AM
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First, I don't think it is worth to buy a PEC car at MSRP. Not at all. You can find similar CPO for less or at MSRP. Meanwhile I truly don't understand the whole thought process of some of the responses that claimed that a Porsche that is being tracked is such a bad thing. I mean these cars are meant for track. Any given weekend track session, probably you are putting 200 miles on the car, 6 sessions a year it is already 1200 track miles. It is not like PEC cars are not maintained at all, they have a workshop in Atlanta, and the breaks are flushed, oil changed etc, so proper maintenance is definitely done. I have been a 911 driver along with Cayman since 2004, and every year on average I have done 7 track weekend sessions. No issues at all.
The cars are not meant to be tracked if you read the fine print, but I get what you’re saying.

The issue isn’t whether or not the car can handle tracking, but there are so many components of the car that are stressed repeatedly during these sessions, and everything has a finite life.

Like everyone else said no deal at MSRP. And they’re asking $3k over to boot.
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Old Apr 27, 2024 | 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Brad Stinson
I’ve never seen a manual 992 available at PEC Atlanta. They have those at other PECs?
i drove a C2S manual when i did PEC ATL delivery back in 12/2021. Even though I bought a C4S manual, since the C4S was only available in PDK, i asked if there was a manual i could drive for half the time so i could get a feel for that as well. And sure enough they had one. Who knows, might be the same one i drove. 🙂 ..although i had no over revs 😁

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Old Apr 27, 2024 | 10:11 AM
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I drove a 992 GTS at the Porsche experience with 19,000 miles on it. Car felt tight. Asked the instructor why they run them so long and he said they are reliable and they typically only replace tires, brakes and oil. Would I buy this car? No, but it’s a testament to the robustness of the design. I wouldn’t worry about 3,000 miles of track time, at least on a PDK. Not so sure with a manual transmission.
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Old Apr 27, 2024 | 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by justabout
I drove a 992 GTS at the Porsche experience with 19,000 miles on it. Car felt tight. Asked the instructor why they run them so long and he said they are reliable and they typically only replace tires, brakes and oil. Would I buy this car? No, but it’s a testament to the robustness of the design. I wouldn’t worry about 3,000 miles of track time, at least on a PDK. Not so sure with a manual transmission.
I would be worried about the manual transmission but it has a new engine…
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Old Apr 28, 2024 | 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by justabout
I drove a 992 GTS at the Porsche experience with 19,000 miles on it. Car felt tight. Asked the instructor why they run them so long and he said they are reliable and they typically only replace tires, brakes and oil. Would I buy this car? No, but it’s a testament to the robustness of the design. I wouldn’t worry about 3,000 miles of track time, at least on a PDK. Not so sure with a manual transmission.
Biggest issue with track time and PDK is heat soak and PDK distance sensor which is a $15-$25k fix. See PV 997’s excellent thread concerning this issue titled “Repairing the PDK Transmission “.

These cars are designed for the track and do take the beatings well. But track time on car causes increased wear and tear on ALL components. A 911 with 50 launches will be worn heavier than the same car with 1 launch. That’s just the physical science anpplied. Every buyer should keep that in mind when buying a car that has been tracked frequently. Not a “plus” if I am buyer and would discount price willing to pay accordingly .

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Old Apr 28, 2024 | 02:58 PM
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The track time issue aside, I'd be very hesitant about the engine swap. You can't tell me exact same as a new factory install.
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Old Jul 23, 2024 | 01:22 AM
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It’s probably very very attempting to see a car that you want. That’s available to you right now, but you have to swallow some very unfortunate circumstances from his past. My dad once told me “once in a lifetime deal only comes along every other day!” Point is the car you really want is out there somewhere without all the baggage. Wait for it.
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Old Jul 23, 2024 | 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by omaralt
so i found a 992 that i'm interested in. its listed with a porsche dealer as CPO. When looking at the carfax it was weird because the first entry was at 3k miles and being sold by the dealer as CPO. spoke to the GM and it turns out its a PEC car. and it had an engine replacement at 3k miles (its at 3068 now). Its CPO and being sold pretty much at MSRP. part of me is screaming RUN but another part of me its intrigued. It has a new engine and 4 new tires. 4.5 years of warranty. specced perfectly (manual transmission most importantly). if i was to build this same car i'd be paying about $15k more due to increases in MSRP.. if the DME report is clean (does it even matter at this point since its a new engine?) is there any reason not to get it?
Before you buy the PEC 992 I'd like to talk to you about a bridge I have for sale in San Francisco.

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Old Jul 23, 2024 | 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Res Ips
Before you buy the PEC 992 I'd like to talk to you about a bridge I have for sale in San Francisco.
ya i don't think you understand how that analogy works. the bridge in San Francisco analogy implies a scam. this car is not a scam. it was just used on the track and had the engine replaced. and they tell you this before you buy it and you have to sign off that you understand that

regardless i didnt buy it and ended up with a brand new 992T. but somebody did buy it because a few weeks later the car was gone. hopefully the new owner enjoys it
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Old Jul 23, 2024 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by SamD
The track time issue aside, I'd be very hesitant about the engine swap. You can't tell me exact same as a new factory install.
Engine swaps not a big deal. It is all in your head
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Old Jul 23, 2024 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Jimmy-D
Engine swaps not a big deal. It is all in your head
i have very little doubt that if i bought that car without knowing that it was a track car with an engine replacement i would've had no idea. sometimes ignorance is truly bliss lol
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