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Not sure about the HP bump, but I believe that the 992.2 announcement is coming soon. I’m saying that based on some 992.1 GT3s on sale for extremely high prices (esp MY22) by Porsche dealers. Maybe they are trying to milk every last ounce before the announcement.
Originally Posted by silversurfer6
Look I do not want to offend anyone. I have been here one year, not one month, but I am not sure how this matters.
It is fine if you do not believe me, I am just posting quite credible info to help people take decisions.
Check some of my posts on the cayenne forum and when I posted the new options 2 months before release when I locked my car. Or that I got one of the first hybrids in europe in october. Not boasting just explaining that I only try to provide credible info - because of a close porsche relationship - to help people here know more and think about their futurw purchase. Or dont check my posts it does not really matter.
The only way to confirm is credible dealers like @Jasonamayes or @C.J. Ichiban to casually confirm my info. No reason to say more.
I wonder if the gauge display is totally reconfigurable now that the tach is part of it. I mean, one of the minor criticisms of the current display cluster is how you can't see the outer gauges through the wheel - I wonder if the .2 will have a fully configurable display to allow an arbitrary layout of the perimeter gauges. Otherwise, what's the point of the digital tach, other than to standardize the parts sharing with the other cars.
I wonder if the gauge display is totally reconfigurable now that the tach is part of it. I mean, one of the minor criticisms of the current display cluster is how you can't see the outer gauges through the wheel - I wonder if the .2 will have a fully configurable display to allow an arbitrary layout of the perimeter gauges. Otherwise, what's the point of the digital tach, other than to standardize the parts sharing with the other cars.
You can already eliminate the two outermost displays with a simplified display setting on the most current 992 cluster.
Ditching the analog tach will likely open up the option of having a virtual cockpit type display like what Audi has had for a few years now. Plus it probably significantly reduces supply costs by making the whole thing just a screen.
Not sure about the HP bump, but I believe that the 992.2 announcement is coming soon. I’m saying that based on some 992.1 GT3s on sale for extremely high prices (esp MY22) by Porsche dealers. Maybe they are trying to milk every last ounce before the announcement.
🤔 992.1 GT3s have been on sale at “extremely high prices” for quite sometime. Certainly nothing new there.
This would be the most hp increase in the history of Porsche.
991.1 GTS : 430 hp
991.2 GTS : 444 hp
992 GTS : 473 hp
Facelift had a very small power bump, 2% followed by a brand new body of 8%. This 540hp figure would mean a whopping 15% increase. This is crazy. That would mean a 100+ hp increase for Turbo S. And potentially an 850 hp GT2RS. Porsche isn't Ferrari or Corvette, they aren't big on horsepower game.
What's different this time is that battery-powered (slash hybrid) cars, for the first time, are a relevant part of the overall market and increasingly relevant in the sports-car market. Table stakes for HP have accordingly increased. Porsche is not about 0-60, but Porsche can't sit on its laurels, either. The GTS like any other model not necessarily designed for ICE purists will need to keep the pace.
It is a nuisance for any $150k+ 911 owner to not be faster at a stop light than a Model S and barely faster than a Model 3, even if that's not what most of us care about. I say this as someone who bought his first 911 in no small part to get a one-owner (me) 911 without a battery.
What's different this time is that battery-powered (slash hybrid) cars, for the first time, are a relevant part of the overall market and increasingly relevant in the sports-car market. Table stakes for HP have accordingly increased. Porsche is not about 0-60, but Porsche can't sit on its laurels, either. The GTS like any other model not necessarily designed for ICE purists will need to keep the pace.
It is a nuisance for any $150k+ 911 owner to not be faster at a stop light than a Model S and barely faster than a Model 3, even if that's not what most of us care about. I say this as someone who bought his first 911 in no small part to get a one-owner (me) 911 without a battery.
I added apostrophes to your quote without malice.
I agree. Porsche doesn't exist in a vacuum. They have to appeal to car enthusiasts in general and not just Porsche loyalists. Acquiring new customers is just as important as retaining existing customers.
Same arguments existed in 2014 and 2017 when everyone including Ferrari and Mclaren were going FI. Ever compared the horsepower of a 488 or F8 to 911? What about Mclaren 570? 650? Or 720? What about Lambo? I dont know how old you guys are or how long you have been around the block (block being Porsche owner). Nothing is different this time around. There has always been a significant horsepower difference between Porsche and others and “the vacuum” has always been there.
I also dont see 2.0 kwh battery making 80-90 hp sustained.
The outermost gauges have been moved inward quite a bit. Even the ones left/right of the tach are moved slightly inward more than 992.1. My guess is this is one of a few different views.
Same arguments existed in 2014 and 2017 when everyone including Ferrari and Mclaren were going FI. Ever compared the horsepower of a 488 or F8 to 911? What about Mclaren 570? 650? Or 720? What about Lambo? I dont know how old you guys are or how long you have been around the block (block being Porsche owner). Nothing is different this time around. There has always been a significant horsepower difference between Porsche and others and “the vacuum” has always been there.
I also dont see 2.0 kwh battery making 80-90 hp sustained.
Porsche literally adopted FI for all their Carrera models in 2016 to keep up. The cheapest of the cars you list costs about $250K plus many times more in maintenance so what point are you trying to make? How about comparing a base Corvette with 490hp or a base M4 with 473hp instead? So you think it makes perfect marketing sense for mid-range non-GT 911s to sit at around ~460hp while their prices keep increasing 10% year after year and emissions standards get stricter and stricter? That and the inability for new buyers to just walk into any dealer to buy a new 911 at MSRP are the differences now. Relying on purists and loyalists can only get them so far. For that is why the still keep the essence of the rear engine flat 6 2+2 platform but everything else keeps evolving. All Porsche needs to accomplish with a small electric assist is to lower the 0-60 times and increase the max horsepower output for their marketing materials.
Give me a break with this whole "how old you guys are" stuff. If you've been around the Porsche block that many times then you should know that Porsche has always made engineering updates to keep up. I'm in my mid-40s so if you are a lot older than me, then that means you will likely die sooner than me so who do you think Porsche is more interested in retaining as a customer?
Same arguments existed in 2014 and 2017 when everyone including Ferrari and Mclaren were going FI. Ever compared the horsepower of a 488 or F8 to 911? What about Mclaren 570? 650? Or 720? What about Lambo? I dont know how old you guys are or how long you have been around the block (block being Porsche owner). Nothing is different this time around. There has always been a significant horsepower difference between Porsche and others and “the vacuum” has always been there.
I also dont see 2.0 kwh battery making 80-90 hp sustained.
Maybe it's been beaten to death in this thread but I'm pretty sad about losing the analog tach. They just always look nicer and I look at enough screens in my life already.
02-29-2024, 11:14 AM
