Prepaid service vs. actual dealer prices?
#1
Prepaid service vs. actual dealer prices?
I did a thorough search but couldn't find the exact answer
For those who plan to get service done exclusively at the dealer (yes I'm aware there may be cheaper alternatives, DIY, etc but for purpose of the question let's hold this presumption true), how much is the actual savings?
PSMP for the 992:
1st year is free,
2 year - $1,040 (This is called PSMP+1)
3 year - $2,445 (Question- I thought year 3 was supposed to be cheaper than year 2? Why is prepaid more expensive?)
4 year - $4,345
5 year - $5,035 (This is called PSMP+4)
Digging past posts:
"At Porsche Bellevue:
10k / 1 yr: free
20k / 2 yr: 2,192
30k / 3 yr: 886 [ why is this so cheap, but for prepaid, you're paying a **** load more?]
40k / 4 yr: 4,117
50k / 5 yr: ???"
I presume it will differ by region, but for example, in CA, what would the cost be if you show up year 2 and just pay for the service itself? year 3? year 4?
I can't seem to figure out the specific numbers, and when you call the service shop they give you some off-the-cuff, non-specific answer that doesn't seem reliable (aka I have a feeling if I show up and bring the car in they will try to charge me a different price).
Prepaid service can be bought right before the 2nd year service is due. Come next year, I am trying to determine how many years to buy, or if I should buy it at all based on if there is actual savings or not.
If above prices are true it seems like it is best to buy prepaid service for year 2 only (saving is >$1000), pay at time of service for year 3 since it's only around 800 bucks (and if you prepay you'd lose >$1500?).
For those who plan to get service done exclusively at the dealer (yes I'm aware there may be cheaper alternatives, DIY, etc but for purpose of the question let's hold this presumption true), how much is the actual savings?
PSMP for the 992:
1st year is free,
2 year - $1,040 (This is called PSMP+1)
3 year - $2,445 (Question- I thought year 3 was supposed to be cheaper than year 2? Why is prepaid more expensive?)
4 year - $4,345
5 year - $5,035 (This is called PSMP+4)
Digging past posts:
"At Porsche Bellevue:
10k / 1 yr: free
20k / 2 yr: 2,192
30k / 3 yr: 886 [ why is this so cheap, but for prepaid, you're paying a **** load more?]
40k / 4 yr: 4,117
50k / 5 yr: ???"
I presume it will differ by region, but for example, in CA, what would the cost be if you show up year 2 and just pay for the service itself? year 3? year 4?
I can't seem to figure out the specific numbers, and when you call the service shop they give you some off-the-cuff, non-specific answer that doesn't seem reliable (aka I have a feeling if I show up and bring the car in they will try to charge me a different price).
Prepaid service can be bought right before the 2nd year service is due. Come next year, I am trying to determine how many years to buy, or if I should buy it at all based on if there is actual savings or not.
If above prices are true it seems like it is best to buy prepaid service for year 2 only (saving is >$1000), pay at time of service for year 3 since it's only around 800 bucks (and if you prepay you'd lose >$1500?).
Last edited by Triathlonkid; 11-05-2023 at 03:26 AM.
#3
If you look at the items done during service intervals, you will see some annual services are simply glorified oil changes, then other years will have brake fluid flush, pollen filters, air cleaner element, and belt service. That's why pricing varies.
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#4
I came out ahead by paying for the services myself. The plans are not a good deal.
I understand that some people include the plans in their financing, but if you can’t afford the maintenance out of pocket, you need to rethink what you’re getting into.
I understand that some people include the plans in their financing, but if you can’t afford the maintenance out of pocket, you need to rethink what you’re getting into.
Last edited by detansinn; 11-05-2023 at 07:57 AM.
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Year 2, with 20k miles?
Oil change
Air filter (ridiculous at 20k miles, but we'll add it)
Brake Fluid Change
Cabin Filter change
$2,500??? LOL! Parts for the above comes to about $250, leaving $2,250 for labor. Or about 10 hours. Really??? If you have the room, you could almost buy a lift for $2,250.
I seriously believe that 911 owners love to brag about how much they spend to maintain these cars. This is like a liquor store attempting to sell a $3 bottle of wine for $6. No one would buy it at that price. But if they mark the $3 bottle up to $14.99 it will sell like crazy.
Doing my own maintenance, I honestly don't think I'd spend $2,500 over 10 years.
Oil change
Air filter (ridiculous at 20k miles, but we'll add it)
Brake Fluid Change
Cabin Filter change
$2,500??? LOL! Parts for the above comes to about $250, leaving $2,250 for labor. Or about 10 hours. Really??? If you have the room, you could almost buy a lift for $2,250.
I seriously believe that 911 owners love to brag about how much they spend to maintain these cars. This is like a liquor store attempting to sell a $3 bottle of wine for $6. No one would buy it at that price. But if they mark the $3 bottle up to $14.99 it will sell like crazy.
Doing my own maintenance, I honestly don't think I'd spend $2,500 over 10 years.
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If you bought a used car from me, you would get a well maintained car.
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#9
I did a thorough search but couldn't find the exact answer
For those who plan to get service done exclusively at the dealer (yes I'm aware there may be cheaper alternatives, DIY, etc but for purpose of the question let's hold this presumption true), how much is the actual savings?
PSMP for the 992:
1st year is free,
2 year - $1,040 (This is called PSMP+1)
3 year - $2,445 (Question- I thought year 3 was supposed to be cheaper than year 2? Why is prepaid more expensive?)
4 year - $4,345
5 year - $5,035 (This is called PSMP+4)
Digging past posts:
"At Porsche Bellevue:
10k / 1 yr: free
20k / 2 yr: 2,192
30k / 3 yr: 886 [ why is this so cheap, but for prepaid, you're paying a **** load more?]
40k / 4 yr: 4,117
50k / 5 yr: ???"
I presume it will differ by region, but for example, in CA, what would the cost be if you show up year 2 and just pay for the service itself? year 3? year 4?
I can't seem to figure out the specific numbers, and when you call the service shop they give you some off-the-cuff, non-specific answer that doesn't seem reliable (aka I have a feeling if I show up and bring the car in they will try to charge me a different price).
Prepaid service can be bought right before the 2nd year service is due. Come next year, I am trying to determine how many years to buy, or if I should buy it at all based on if there is actual savings or not.
If above prices are true it seems like it is best to buy prepaid service for year 2 only (saving is >$1000), pay at time of service for year 3 since it's only around 800 bucks (and if you prepay you'd lose >$1500?).
For those who plan to get service done exclusively at the dealer (yes I'm aware there may be cheaper alternatives, DIY, etc but for purpose of the question let's hold this presumption true), how much is the actual savings?
PSMP for the 992:
1st year is free,
2 year - $1,040 (This is called PSMP+1)
3 year - $2,445 (Question- I thought year 3 was supposed to be cheaper than year 2? Why is prepaid more expensive?)
4 year - $4,345
5 year - $5,035 (This is called PSMP+4)
Digging past posts:
"At Porsche Bellevue:
10k / 1 yr: free
20k / 2 yr: 2,192
30k / 3 yr: 886 [ why is this so cheap, but for prepaid, you're paying a **** load more?]
40k / 4 yr: 4,117
50k / 5 yr: ???"
I presume it will differ by region, but for example, in CA, what would the cost be if you show up year 2 and just pay for the service itself? year 3? year 4?
I can't seem to figure out the specific numbers, and when you call the service shop they give you some off-the-cuff, non-specific answer that doesn't seem reliable (aka I have a feeling if I show up and bring the car in they will try to charge me a different price).
Prepaid service can be bought right before the 2nd year service is due. Come next year, I am trying to determine how many years to buy, or if I should buy it at all based on if there is actual savings or not.
If above prices are true it seems like it is best to buy prepaid service for year 2 only (saving is >$1000), pay at time of service for year 3 since it's only around 800 bucks (and if you prepay you'd lose >$1500?).
From the prices it looks like your dealer is recommending the spark plug change at 4 years, the official Porsche recommendation is 3 years. That $886 service looks like an oil change only, which is pretty crazy because there is nothing particularly special about the oil change on these cars. I don't know about your area, but dealers around me always have 15% off coupons on service, another is always 15% off for PCA members. Independents should be a lot cheaper, for example two local shops near me that specialize in Porsche are under $300 for an oil change with OEM filter and approved oil.
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Triathlonkid (11-05-2023)
#11
Dealers love people like you. Just look at the needless profit making things that are performed by the dealer that one really does not need at the time they are done. I do what I feel is necessary when I feel it is necessary for the longevity of the car.
If you bought a used car from me, you would get a well maintained car.
If you bought a used car from me, you would get a well maintained car.
#12
No just a guy who is into cars and had cars for 55 years who uses a little common sense and avoids paying for unnecessary work.
The service plan is set up to maximize profits, not minimize, profits.
Major work like oil changes, brake fluid changes, spark plug changes, coolant system flushes, etc. I do as recommended. Minor stuff I use my discretion, and I ain't been wrong yet!!
Geez
The service plan is set up to maximize profits, not minimize, profits.
Major work like oil changes, brake fluid changes, spark plug changes, coolant system flushes, etc. I do as recommended. Minor stuff I use my discretion, and I ain't been wrong yet!!
Geez
Last edited by Staffie Guy; 11-05-2023 at 02:15 PM.
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jlegelis (11-07-2023)
#13
There is so much fluff built into the annual service packages. Things like check tire pressures, check windshield washer fluid, inspect brake pads for wear. These are all things enthusiast owners should be on top of anyway.
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From the prices it looks like your dealer is recommending the spark plug change at 4 years, the official Porsche recommendation is 3 years. That $886 service looks like an oil change only, which is pretty crazy because there is nothing particularly special about the oil change on these cars. I don't know about your area, but dealers around me always have 15% off coupons on service, another is always 15% off for PCA members. Independents should be a lot cheaper, for example two local shops near me that specialize in Porsche are under $300 for an oil change with OEM filter and approved oil.
#15
@Triathlonkid so you are doing the correct analysis by comparing the current costs for each years service versus the Porsche Scheduled Maintenance Plan (PSMP). One of the benefits of the PSMP is you are locking in todays price for a service that will be more expensive tomorrow. I purchased the PSMP for my 981 Cayman back in 2015 as the cost was ~20% less than the current prices at the time I was being quoted, so it was a good financial decision (I actually think the finance guy selling the PSMP messed up and used an old price sheet). Also, the PSMP was transferable to a new owner, and I assume it still is, yet read the fine print.
I do not know of any item on the scheduled maintenance plan that might be deferred as some have suggested, so in my view the maintenance should be done to the schedule, yet I drive ~14K miles per year so the maintenance was always coming due from mileage, not time. The only rub with a fairly priced PSMP that I would have is if you are a DIY person, and plan to do you own oil/filter changes, cabin filter changes, brake fluid flushes, etc.... You can save lots of $$ by doing this work yourself and it's pretty easy. Now that I have the time, I do all of these things myself, including Spark Plugs. Except the Engine Air filter on my 991.2 I left to the Dealer as I did not have assistance to help with the rear bumper cover removal.
My final comment is your quoted costs from Porsche Bellevue appear to be old 991.1 schedule, with the 4 year service including the Spark Plugs, Engine Air Filter change, Brake fluid & Oil Change, then year 3 being mainly an oil change, and year 2 being Oil change & Brake Fluid Flush. So the relative numbers work, yet still over priced.
I do not know of any item on the scheduled maintenance plan that might be deferred as some have suggested, so in my view the maintenance should be done to the schedule, yet I drive ~14K miles per year so the maintenance was always coming due from mileage, not time. The only rub with a fairly priced PSMP that I would have is if you are a DIY person, and plan to do you own oil/filter changes, cabin filter changes, brake fluid flushes, etc.... You can save lots of $$ by doing this work yourself and it's pretty easy. Now that I have the time, I do all of these things myself, including Spark Plugs. Except the Engine Air filter on my 991.2 I left to the Dealer as I did not have assistance to help with the rear bumper cover removal.
My final comment is your quoted costs from Porsche Bellevue appear to be old 991.1 schedule, with the 4 year service including the Spark Plugs, Engine Air Filter change, Brake fluid & Oil Change, then year 3 being mainly an oil change, and year 2 being Oil change & Brake Fluid Flush. So the relative numbers work, yet still over priced.