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Frank was also saying they want to keep manuals around for as long as possible. Based on all the comments, it seems safe to say that the next generation pure BEV Boxster and Cayman will not be available with manuals. As for the 992.2 hybrids, it sounds like that is still TBD, but the "we are working on it" comments gives me hope.
That article is from last October. Don't get your hopes up.
And let's be honest: we can't blame Porsche if the manual disappeared. If customers demanded them by actually buying them in serious numbers (like a >50% take rate), they'd still sell them. And if the few of us P car owners who do demand manual get upset, what recourse do we have? No other high-end manufacturer can take our business because they don't make manuals. So they are absolutely not going to lose customers if they trash the manual. Sure some oldfarts like me, may just stop buying new cars, but we aren't even a blip in their numbers.
I see only one reason for them to continue manuals: Street cred. Often manufacturers make cars not to make money (think Ford GT), but essentially to advertise. Even if you could never afford a Ford GT, many consumers want to buy another cool car made by the guys who made the GT. That is a smart business decision. A manual 911 could be similar.
I'd more than gladly give up power for a new Porsche like my Spyder. They have to fill that void.
How about a new manual line? Reduced power to stay emission compliant, 3,200 lbs, all the best handling bits, manual ONLY, and the only way to get a manual 911, and a proper6-speed!. Basically, if they really want to say it's for emissions, fine, cut the power back. That would be ballsy and I'd buy one right away. The New T.
Last edited by Denny Swift; 05-30-2024 at 06:06 PM.
I know Porsche is capable of manipulating emissions results, they’ve done it over and over. Give us what we want, and give the government what they want.
I know Porsche is capable of manipulating emissions results, they’ve done it over and over. Give us what we want, and give the government what they want.
lol…. So true. Just don’t complain when stuck at POE for three months!
You know there was no manual option on the 992.1 at launch either... right ??
Correct, but Porsche did announce at the 992.1 launch that the MT would be available in the 992.1 S and GTS so buyers could make informed decisions, IIRC.
Correct, but Porsche did announce at the 992.1 launch that the MT would be available in the 992.1 S and GTS so buyers could make informed decisions, IIRC.
Then you also know the 992 GTS wasn't launched until several years after the Carrera and S models... so GTS buyers knew nothing about it at 992 reveal
Then you also know the 992 GTS wasn't launched until several years after the Carrera and S models... so GTS buyers knew nothing about it at 992 reveal
But Porsche announced a 7 speed manual was coming the 992.1 higher trims as early as 2018-2019. See the Motor Trend article titled “2020 Porsche Carrera S Review: The Immortal 911” dated January 15, 2019: “The eight speed PDK is the only transmission offered on the 992, though the seven speed manual will return.” Unlike Frank Moser’s recent response when asked about a 992.2 MT of…..don’t know but we are working on it. Having owned 10 Porsches, I correctly expected by 2019 a MT in a 992.1 GTS based on Porsche representations. I also expected copious alcantara in the GTS too by 2019. Ha ha. This isn’t rocket science. Porsche is now married to the PDK for hybrid MGU-K style technology. So, no MT in any future cars that use that technology which we know at this point is at least the GTS but not the base. But no MT in the base anyway. Jury still out on the S. We will know soon enough.
.........And let's be honest: we can't blame Porsche if the manual disappeared. If customers demanded them by actually buying them in serious numbers (like a >50% take rate), they'd still sell them.
Hey Denny, I agree with the whole of your position, yet this first statement needs a little more insight.... Porsche is fully constricted by Federal Emissions and CAFE requirements. The PDK makes meeting these government requirements easier, while the manual is tougher to achieve the requirements. I think you were saying this towards the end of your message, yet leading off with the >50% take rate to maintain the manual made my head shake ...no not really.
I think Porsche would like to continue to offer a manual transmission, even for a 20% take rate, yet they still need to meet emission and CAFE requirement, which is the "fly in the soup".....
I fully agree that I would accept a less powerful option in a manual over a more powerful PDK... That me, and others may not..... I just believe the current government push for near zero emissions is driving the options and removing choice in the market place for the consumer. EPA needs to pause and hold requirement at 2024/2025 levels for a few years, versus this unrealistic continual drive to lower and lower emissions to eliminate the ICE, while not considering the different emissions of BEV......
Rennlist is an enthusiast forum, and even here we have more die-hard PDK proponents, and those who justify a PDK over a manual, than manual die-hards. What’s the hope to Save the Manuals in the general population? Let’s just hope Porsche makes at least one 992.2 model, that is under 175K, and relatively easily obtainable for us that want manuals and are not ready to compromise. I feel lucky to have received a GTS allocation last fall, and take delivery of my manual 992.1 GTS in March,
05-30-2024, 09:36 AM
