2020 CPO 4S with 75000 miles
09-30-2023, 04:00 PM
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What I've been told is a Dealer can't CPO a car with missing services. Also everything exposed to wear needs to be at 50% minimum (brakes, tires etc.)
@OP: Mine has a very similar spec but half the mileage. What I personally would be missing here is PASM which also gives you a slightly lower ride height and the more aggressive front lip. If you'd miss that depends on the intended use. My 4S also has PDCC and FAL. I like it, but PDCC is a controversial topic around here.
Been dreaming of a 991 the past 10 years and ended up getting a 992. Why? The 992 has grown on me as much as my interest in a 991 has faded.
Your 991.1 S has 440 Nm (325 lb⋅ft) at 5,600 rpm, the 992 4S has 530 Nm (391 lb⋅ft) at 2,300 (–5,000) rpm. That's a hell of a difference at lower rpm, trust me, and is one of the reasons I couldn't go back to a 991 after driving/tracking a number of 992s (4Ss/GTSs/Turbo Ss).
@OP: Mine has a very similar spec but half the mileage. What I personally would be missing here is PASM which also gives you a slightly lower ride height and the more aggressive front lip. If you'd miss that depends on the intended use. My 4S also has PDCC and FAL. I like it, but PDCC is a controversial topic around here.
Been dreaming of a 991 the past 10 years and ended up getting a 992. Why? The 992 has grown on me as much as my interest in a 991 has faded.
Your 991.1 S has 440 Nm (325 lb⋅ft) at 5,600 rpm, the 992 4S has 530 Nm (391 lb⋅ft) at 2,300 (–5,000) rpm. That's a hell of a difference at lower rpm, trust me, and is one of the reasons I couldn't go back to a 991 after driving/tracking a number of 992s (4Ss/GTSs/Turbo Ss).
09-30-2023, 05:08 PM
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Are you the first owner?
992 front end and interiors are much better than 991 IMHO but the rear end…I don’t know.
992 has more power but yours is NA and RWD.
Drive test the 992 and make your decision according to your feelings
10-01-2023, 12:52 AM
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“They removed the engine at 383,000 to fix minor oil leaks and replace turbos, decided to break it down to look at internals, there were maybe two bearings with very light shadowing, rest if the engine was flawless, it was not what we expected to find but were glad when we did! These engines are well built and well engineered. Every valve was mic’d and met factory spec in every dimension, couldn’t believe it,” he said
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10-01-2023, 01:30 AM
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Read up on the 670,000 mile 996. I would wager a 992, properly maintained, could do better.
“They removed the engine at 383,000 to fix minor oil leaks and replace turbos, decided to break it down to look at internals, there were maybe two bearings with very light shadowing, rest if the engine was flawless, it was not what we expected to find but were glad when we did! These engines are well built and well engineered. Every valve was mic’d and met factory spec in every dimension, couldn’t believe it,” he said
“They removed the engine at 383,000 to fix minor oil leaks and replace turbos, decided to break it down to look at internals, there were maybe two bearings with very light shadowing, rest if the engine was flawless, it was not what we expected to find but were glad when we did! These engines are well built and well engineered. Every valve was mic’d and met factory spec in every dimension, couldn’t believe it,” he said
maybe some complaints on rattles or noisy engines but man do they perform
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10-01-2023, 10:55 AM
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Found a used 992 PDK 4S at my local dealer. He made a descent offer on my 991.1 C2S.
The 992s are still out of my budget with normal mileage, but with 75000 miles it's more like a trade for my 991.1 + 5K
Every maintenance was done at the same dealer. CPO for 2 years.
I don't drive a lot. 3-4 thousand miles a year.
Never drove a 992 before. Haven't seen the car yet. Dealer told me that the car was has PPF (full front and lower body) and is really good condition.
Not sure if it's that much of an "upgrade" compare to my 991.1?
Let see what the community has to say.
Specs of the 992:
992420 911 Carrera 4S
KA Leather Interior in Black with Chalk Stitching
0L Carmine Red
3FE Electric Slide/Tilt Sunroof in Glass
6XV Power Folding Exterior Mirrors
KQ2 "PORSCHE" Logo Painted in High Gloss Black
0NA Deletion of Model Designation
0N5 Rear Axle Steering
0P9 Sport Exhaust System incl. Tailpipes in Black
8LH Sport Chrono Package
1NX Wheels Painted in Satin Black
QQ1 Light Design Package
Q2J Power Sport Seats (14-way) with Memory Package
2PJ Heated Multifunction GT Sport Steering Wheel
FI8 Seat Belts in Chalk
7TM Interior Trim in Leather
3J7 Porsche Crest on Headrests (Front)
6NA Roof Lining in Alcantara
9VL BOSE Surround Sound System
8IU LED-Matrix Design Headlights incl. Porsche Dynamic Light System Plus (PDLS+)
4F6 Comfort Access
The 992s are still out of my budget with normal mileage, but with 75000 miles it's more like a trade for my 991.1 + 5K
Every maintenance was done at the same dealer. CPO for 2 years.
I don't drive a lot. 3-4 thousand miles a year.
Never drove a 992 before. Haven't seen the car yet. Dealer told me that the car was has PPF (full front and lower body) and is really good condition.
Not sure if it's that much of an "upgrade" compare to my 991.1?
Let see what the community has to say.
Specs of the 992:
992420 911 Carrera 4S
KA Leather Interior in Black with Chalk Stitching
0L Carmine Red
3FE Electric Slide/Tilt Sunroof in Glass
6XV Power Folding Exterior Mirrors
KQ2 "PORSCHE" Logo Painted in High Gloss Black
0NA Deletion of Model Designation
0N5 Rear Axle Steering
0P9 Sport Exhaust System incl. Tailpipes in Black
8LH Sport Chrono Package
1NX Wheels Painted in Satin Black
QQ1 Light Design Package
Q2J Power Sport Seats (14-way) with Memory Package
2PJ Heated Multifunction GT Sport Steering Wheel
FI8 Seat Belts in Chalk
7TM Interior Trim in Leather
3J7 Porsche Crest on Headrests (Front)
6NA Roof Lining in Alcantara
9VL BOSE Surround Sound System
8IU LED-Matrix Design Headlights incl. Porsche Dynamic Light System Plus (PDLS+)
4F6 Comfort Access
the biggest difference you will experience is moving to a new generation of car and moving from rwd to awd. i had a 991 4S and loved it until i drove the 992 (which happened to be rwd). the second i drove the 992 i literally couldn't wait to get rid of my 991. and i had a really nice 4S. in my opinion 911s are best felt in the rwd form so you will be moving away from a car that wants to oversteer to one that has more throttle response and power and more traction. if you are like me and like to throw cars into corners the 992 won't be as fun. but it will feel safer driving quicker. anyway, that is something you need to sort out yourself to see which you prefer.
the 992 is a completely different animal to the 991. not even close ... way better in nearly every area. its easier to use, easier to drive fast and that means it makes you smile more. at least my experience.
hope this helps.
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10-01-2023, 11:01 AM
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that is interesting. i think the interior, especially the seats were better in my 991 vs 992.
10-01-2023, 02:11 PM
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as long as the maintenance was done properly and documented, don't worry about the milage. porsches (any well made modern car really) are designed to run to 100K without issues (assuming you maintain properly) so you might have some things come up in 4-5 years if you are putting 3-4K miles a year on it. but as long as you keep things moving and don't let it sit all will be fine.
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10-01-2023, 03:48 PM
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why not? If the inside and exterior are in good condition and he gets CPO warranty and later a warranty extension then what will happen to it?
Not like the car will start to decompose, and if it does the warranty is there for that.
Not like the car will start to decompose, and if it does the warranty is there for that.
10-01-2023, 04:00 PM
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Just as you would not want the metabolic markers of a sedentary, desk job worker, you'd probably also wouldn't want the metabolic marker of a 10 year NFL running back.
In this case, this 2020 CPO with 70k feels more like a 10 year NFL running back than someone who gets regular exercise 3-4x times week and generally eats healthy except on the weekends.
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10-01-2023, 04:16 PM
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True, but there are exceptions.
Just as you would not want the metabolic markers of a sedentary, desk job worker, you'd probably also wouldn't want the metabolic marker of a 10 year NFL running back.
In this case, this 2020 CPO with 70k feels more like a 10 year NFL running back than someone who gets regular exercise 3-4x times week and generally eats healthy except on the weekends.
Just as you would not want the metabolic markers of a sedentary, desk job worker, you'd probably also wouldn't want the metabolic marker of a 10 year NFL running back.
In this case, this 2020 CPO with 70k feels more like a 10 year NFL running back than someone who gets regular exercise 3-4x times week and generally eats healthy except on the weekends.
I can only use my experience with my 991 that went all the way to 120k miles when I sold it in perfect condition. Bought it with just under 70k miles, sold it 50k miles later and it depreciated all of $5k.. Even Chris Harris has a 991 GT3 with “high mileage” which he beats up constantly and the car (in his words) is “bullet proof”.
I’m also happy that there are people like you that won’t buy a 911 with 70k miles (a Ferrari buyer would have a heart attach). I’m more than happy to pick these up from time to time, especially those models that I wouldn’t otherwise be able to afford such as TTS.
10-01-2023, 04:22 PM
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swings and roundabouts as they say.
I can only use my experience with my 991 that went all the way to 120k miles when I sold it in perfect condition. Bought it with just under 70k miles, sold it 50k miles later and it depreciated all of $5k.. Even Chris Harris has a 991 GT3 with “high mileage” which he beats up constantly and the car (in his words) is “bullet proof”.
I’m also happy that there are people like you that won’t buy a 911 with 70k miles (a Ferrari buyer would have a heart attach). I’m more than happy to pick these up from time to time, especially those models that I wouldn’t otherwise be able to afford such as TTS.
I can only use my experience with my 991 that went all the way to 120k miles when I sold it in perfect condition. Bought it with just under 70k miles, sold it 50k miles later and it depreciated all of $5k.. Even Chris Harris has a 991 GT3 with “high mileage” which he beats up constantly and the car (in his words) is “bullet proof”.
I’m also happy that there are people like you that won’t buy a 911 with 70k miles (a Ferrari buyer would have a heart attach). I’m more than happy to pick these up from time to time, especially those models that I wouldn’t otherwise be able to afford such as TTS.
It's the amount of mileage in a given period of time.
3 years and 75k is alot of miles (as I mentioned up thread).
5 years and 75k, not a problem.
But 25k miles per year for 3 years is quite a bit of miles even for something as supposedly bulletproof as a Porsche.,
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10-01-2023, 09:23 PM
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This reminds me of the 3-million mile Volvo P1800, sadly I see the owner passed away a couple of years back:
https://wyantgroup.com/remembering-the-three-million-mile-volvo-man/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJZDAy7hOWE
https://wyantgroup.com/remembering-the-three-million-mile-volvo-man/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJZDAy7hOWE
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10-01-2023, 11:09 PM
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Ehh, up to you, sure it is a cheap 992 now, but at 75K miles, and you still have a couple years until the car hits the tail end of the depreciation curve, + the additional mileage you'd be putting on the car.
I'd enjoy your 911 you have now, and wait a year or two when you can purchase a 992 with 40-50K miles for the same price, possibly even less.
I'd enjoy your 911 you have now, and wait a year or two when you can purchase a 992 with 40-50K miles for the same price, possibly even less.
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04-14-2024, 06:03 PM
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One issue that hasn’t been mentioned is the fact that this 992 4S will be a wide-body car as opposed to your 991 narrow-body. You may like the look of the wide-body a lot, or you may not care. Park them side-by-side.