View Poll Results: Do you want to buy a 992 Carrera hybrid?
Yes
32
12.40%
Maybe
67
25.97%
No
159
61.63%
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Do you want a hybrid 992 Carrera?
06-26-2023, 06:12 PM
#46
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Doubt
06-26-2023, 06:14 PM
#47
The 911 went over 3000lbs with the introduction of the 964 Carrera 4 in 1998. To Porsche's credit, they have done well to keep the car's weight reasonable when considering the demands put forward by safety and emissions regulations and despite a very significant gain in size as well as a demand for ever increasing performance which brings larger (and heavier if using same materials and construction) components. Having said that with the lightest 992 likely around 3250-3275lbs (a near stripper 992 T with the only option being the now-orderable buckets), and the heaviest models (Turbo Cab and Targa 4 GTS?) close to 3700, I feel any further weight increase has the 911 so far from its origins as to question if it actually is still a 911. A battery pack anywhere in the car fundamentally changes the car in my humble opinion.
06-26-2023, 06:19 PM
#48
Disingenuous whiners, the lot of you. If you want a lighter, nimbler, ICE-only 911, they made plenty of those 20 years ago. Go buy a 997, install CarPlay, and be happy.
When Porsche builds a hybrid 911 with the top end and sound of a GT3 and the low end of a TTS, you'll all be here to complain about the curb weight mere seconds before writing a check.
When Porsche builds a hybrid 911 with the top end and sound of a GT3 and the low end of a TTS, you'll all be here to complain about the curb weight mere seconds before writing a check.
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06-26-2023, 06:42 PM
#49
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918 package in a Carrera. NA engine with electric assist, no symposer... 3700 lbs dry, lower center of gravity, double wishbone, better tire compounds. Approaching 7:00 'ring time. Everyone screaming "take my $200k".
06-26-2023, 07:28 PM
#50
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Most people who buy a new 911 these days are buying a luxury brand. They're clueless about the heritage. You think everyone in China knows or cares about the story of Porsche? 
They don't care about weight either.
Also, Porsche has been gradually transitioning from an engineering company to a marketing company since Ferry's death and now as a public company, all they care about is juicing the 75 y/o brand equity to sell more cars.
Preuninger and the GT team is probably the last remaining Porsche bastion at Porsche.
Nobody knows how much they're going to like or dislike the .2, whatever it might be, until it's clear what it is. For some, it will be an exciting change. For others, the end of an era.
For some of us who've been around the brand for a few decades, a big change may indeed cause some of us to stop buying new cars and stick with our old ones.
They don't care about weight either.Also, Porsche has been gradually transitioning from an engineering company to a marketing company since Ferry's death and now as a public company, all they care about is juicing the 75 y/o brand equity to sell more cars.
Preuninger and the GT team is probably the last remaining Porsche bastion at Porsche.
Nobody knows how much they're going to like or dislike the .2, whatever it might be, until it's clear what it is. For some, it will be an exciting change. For others, the end of an era.
For some of us who've been around the brand for a few decades, a big change may indeed cause some of us to stop buying new cars and stick with our old ones.
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06-26-2023, 08:15 PM
#51
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If Porsche ever sells another sports car that I want more than my current two Porsches, I'll buy it. That's it. That's their job. Make a car that I want to buy.
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06-26-2023, 08:24 PM
#52
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These cars have undergone 50-years of design revision and development to accommodate and fine tune a rear engine setup with the resultant handling traits we all love.
As a result, adding at least 250 kg of battery structure (we can probably dismiss the motor since this will likely be integrated into the flywheel) will affect the required setup more than almost any other car.
Such additional mass can only be added to the centre section of the floor and the main trait of the 911 will be lost. I hope I have to eat my words.
As a result, adding at least 250 kg of battery structure (we can probably dismiss the motor since this will likely be integrated into the flywheel) will affect the required setup more than almost any other car.
Such additional mass can only be added to the centre section of the floor and the main trait of the 911 will be lost. I hope I have to eat my words.
06-26-2023, 09:25 PM
#53
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That's really interesting, none of those things matter to me. The more capable cars become, the less fun they become.
If Porsche ever sells another sports car that I want more than my current two Porsches, I'll buy it. That's it. That's their job. Make a car that I want to buy.
If Porsche ever sells another sports car that I want more than my current two Porsches, I'll buy it. That's it. That's their job. Make a car that I want to buy.
Porsche just need to sell more cars than last year within the current regulatory framework. In my opinion, the most obvious solution is 918-lite in a Carrera. And I think 99% of the people on this 992 thread would buy it eagerly, even though they claim otherwise today.
PS: I agree that as these cars get better and better they tend to lose the soul of a proper, historic 911. But a high revving engine brings some of that energy back vs the turbo of todays cars. Double wishbone suspension would be a noticeable upgrade. So I guess it still seems disingenuous to come in here and say “only lightness matters”. Because these evolutions would make for a better car. And then maybe we can add lightness later.
06-26-2023, 11:15 PM
#54
It sounds like you just want an old car. Which is great. People take good care of their old Porsches. So there’s plenty of opportunity to buy that.
Porsche just need to sell more cars than last year within the current regulatory framework. In my opinion, the most obvious solution is 918-lite in a Carrera. And I think 99% of the people on this 992 thread would buy it eagerly, even though they claim otherwise today.
PS: I agree that as these cars get better and better they tend to lose the soul of a proper, historic 911. But a high revving engine brings some of that energy back vs the turbo of todays cars. Double wishbone suspension would be a noticeable upgrade. So I guess it still seems disingenuous to come in here and say “only lightness matters”. Because these evolutions would make for a better car. And then maybe we can add lightness later.
Porsche just need to sell more cars than last year within the current regulatory framework. In my opinion, the most obvious solution is 918-lite in a Carrera. And I think 99% of the people on this 992 thread would buy it eagerly, even though they claim otherwise today.
PS: I agree that as these cars get better and better they tend to lose the soul of a proper, historic 911. But a high revving engine brings some of that energy back vs the turbo of todays cars. Double wishbone suspension would be a noticeable upgrade. So I guess it still seems disingenuous to come in here and say “only lightness matters”. Because these evolutions would make for a better car. And then maybe we can add lightness later.
06-27-2023, 01:08 AM
#55
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I want a better 911.
Not a lighter 911.
A lighter 911, in and of itself, does not make for a better car.
A better 911 makes for a better 911.
If hybridization improves the 911 (dynamically, power delivery, drivability, etc.) then I am all for it.
Not a lighter 911.
A lighter 911, in and of itself, does not make for a better car.
A better 911 makes for a better 911.
If hybridization improves the 911 (dynamically, power delivery, drivability, etc.) then I am all for it.
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06-27-2023, 01:49 AM
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It's a gas 911 or nothing to me. I spend cash money fot theses cars.
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06-27-2023, 06:14 AM
#57
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Are you gay? I ask because this is the second unprovoked homophobic comment I've encountered on this forum coming from you. In case you didn't know, it is widely believed that homophobic behavior and speech is an indication of repressed homophobic tendencies, so when I read your comments, all I hear is "I'm gay". However, if you're not gay and you're just a backward relic, perhaps consider repressing your homophobic, racist and otherwise discriminating rhetoric and stay on the Porsche topic.
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06-27-2023, 07:04 AM
#58
Burning Brakes
Anyway....
Regarding the hybrid, I really have no interest. The extra power doesn't interest me and the noticeable weight gain + added complexity really doesn't interest me.
I know there have been some manufacturers that have electric/hybrid manual transmission concepts - but that's all it is, a concept. I doubt these see the light of day with a 2% manual transmission take rate across all cars in the US. It doesn't make sense to make a unique transmission with all of the associated engineering, testing and manufacturing costs. The manual is on it's last cogs, get them while you still can.
Regarding the hybrid, I really have no interest. The extra power doesn't interest me and the noticeable weight gain + added complexity really doesn't interest me.
I know there have been some manufacturers that have electric/hybrid manual transmission concepts - but that's all it is, a concept. I doubt these see the light of day with a 2% manual transmission take rate across all cars in the US. It doesn't make sense to make a unique transmission with all of the associated engineering, testing and manufacturing costs. The manual is on it's last cogs, get them while you still can.
06-27-2023, 09:02 AM
#59
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True. 
It's all the perception of the individual. I tend to feel that the last real 911 "sports car" was the '89 Carrera. Everything after that is a compromise to comfort, but then again, I cut my teeth on British TR4s, which had virtually no shocks and no sound deadening (or reliability).
To Porsche's credit, they have produced amazing cars year after year, generation after generation, despite weight gain and increased size. I suspect that the next generation of 911s with a hybrid technology will add another layer of performance increase and if there are a few stumbles along the way, the .2 revisions will probably resolve most of those.
If that offering is not to your taste, then dial back a few years and pick the 911 vintage that resonates with you. The good news is most 911s are still on the road and running.
It's all the perception of the individual. I tend to feel that the last real 911 "sports car" was the '89 Carrera. Everything after that is a compromise to comfort, but then again, I cut my teeth on British TR4s, which had virtually no shocks and no sound deadening (or reliability).To Porsche's credit, they have produced amazing cars year after year, generation after generation, despite weight gain and increased size. I suspect that the next generation of 911s with a hybrid technology will add another layer of performance increase and if there are a few stumbles along the way, the .2 revisions will probably resolve most of those.
If that offering is not to your taste, then dial back a few years and pick the 911 vintage that resonates with you. The good news is most 911s are still on the road and running.
06-27-2023, 09:19 AM
#60
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Anyway....
Regarding the hybrid, I really have no interest. The extra power doesn't interest me and the noticeable weight gain + added complexity really doesn't interest me.
I know there have been some manufacturers that have electric/hybrid manual transmission concepts - but that's all it is, a concept. I doubt these see the light of day with a 2% manual transmission take rate across all cars in the US. It doesn't make sense to make a unique transmission with all of the associated engineering, testing and manufacturing costs. The manual is on it's last cogs, get them while you still can.
Regarding the hybrid, I really have no interest. The extra power doesn't interest me and the noticeable weight gain + added complexity really doesn't interest me.
I know there have been some manufacturers that have electric/hybrid manual transmission concepts - but that's all it is, a concept. I doubt these see the light of day with a 2% manual transmission take rate across all cars in the US. It doesn't make sense to make a unique transmission with all of the associated engineering, testing and manufacturing costs. The manual is on it's last cogs, get them while you still can.
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