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Like Colin Chapman, then Gordon Murray, I want light much more than fast for the road.
I think people say they want a light car, but I think what people really mean is they want a car that feelslight.
A Miata is light, but I personally don't enjoy driving it The ND generation is maybe the lightest of all Miata's, barely edging out the NA depending on spec, and it not a fun road car. Good momentum car on the track with some serious suspension tuning. But back roads? Canyon carving? No thank you.
For example a BRZ at just a hair under 3000 does not feel as light or nimble on its feet as a 992 C2S, which outweighs it by about 400 lbs.
And given the choice, all else being equal, I know which car I would take to carve a canyon.
I think people say they want a light car, but I think what people really mean is they want a car that feelslight.
A Miata is light, but I personally don't enjoy driving it The ND generation is maybe the lightest of all Miata's, barely edging out the NA depending on spec, and it not a fun road car. Good momentum car on the track with some serious suspension tuning. But back roads? Canyon carving? No thank you.
For example a BRZ at just a hair under 3000 does not feel as light or nimble on its feet as a 992 C2S, which outweighs it by about 400 lbs.
And given the choice, all else being equal, I know which car I would take to carve a canyon.
In all fairness, if we're going to compare ND's to 992's, we may as well compare 992's to Murray's T50. It's about 1200 lbs lighter than the 992, and I know which one I would choose to drive on any good road!
I think people say they want a light car, but I think what people really mean is they want a car that feelslight.
A Miata is light, but I personally don't enjoy driving it The ND generation is maybe the lightest of all Miata's, barely edging out the NA depending on spec, and it not a fun road car. Good momentum car on the track with some serious suspension tuning. But back roads? Canyon carving? No thank you.
For example a BRZ at just a hair under 3000 does not feel as light or nimble on its feet as a 992 C2S, which outweighs it by about 400 lbs.
And given the choice, all else being equal, I know which car I would take to carve a canyon.
Point is well taken, as yours always are Ipse.
To be more concise, I really meant: not heavier than the 992 already is.
I only have 300 miles on my base '23 Carrera and chose it for its relative lightness.
IMO 2850-3400 lbs is Goldilocks.
A few illustrations.
Roughly 3700 lbs and up is jumping the shark to me. The C8 Corvette is close at 3750.
2016-2018 BMW M2 OG 3450 lbs: yes. Current M2 at over 3800 lbs, no...or Nissan GTR 3850 no. NSX 3900 hell no.
Emira 3267 lbs or GT4 3227 lbs are perfect sports cars. (I am 6" 3.5" so....911 for me, perfect fit).
It will be interesting to if a lightweight electric 718 can be created, with more interior space and a solid state battery, with total weight under 3500 lbs and super low COG. Could be a fantastic autocrosser/canyon carver.
I have a sneaking feeling we are getting close to the last 911 (and cars in general) that i will buy. I'd rather just go to ride sharing than own a hybrid or EV. I'll buy the last ICE-only manual variant of the 911 and whatever other cars are of interest (eg Emira, maybe a Cadillac CT5V Blackwing to have a 4 door for when the kids are too big for 911 rear seats) and then just hold on to my fleet for as long as I can buy gasoline. And when that becomes impossible, one of my two major hobbies/pleasures in life will be over and I'll just rideshare with an app on my Vision Pro or NeuroImplant Pro or whatever...
I have a sneaking feeling we are getting close to the last 911 (and cars in general) that i will buy. I'd rather just go to ride sharing than own a hybrid or EV. I'll buy the last ICE-only manual variant of the 911 and whatever other cars are of interest (eg Emira, maybe a Cadillac CT5V Blackwing to have a 4 door for when the kids are too big for 911 rear seats) and then just hold on to my fleet for as long as I can buy gasoline. And when that becomes impossible, one of my two major hobbies/pleasures in life will be over and I'll just rideshare with an app on my Vision Pro or NeuroImplant Pro or whatever...
Many older people are planning the same thing. And with the younger generations not wanting to drive at all in many case, the automakers don't know the storm that is going to hit them once the government mandates all electrification - sales are going to fall dramatically, and what sales there are will come mostly in lower priced EVs from Tesla and China. What's GM and Ford going to sell once $60K+ ICE pickups and SUVs are outlawed? I see Lamborghini announced today that the Urus is going all electric - did they ask their buyers whether they want a $200K+ electric SUV? Or do they just plan to produce it and hope the buyers come along for the ride.
I'd like to see the dealer waiting lists are for the 718 EV - are they backed up 1-2 years like the 911 is?
JD power survey shows that if Porsche listens to their customers, the 911 will get nothing but worse and turn more towards GT. culminating with an all electric boring-mobile built for bad hips, displaying status and quiet cruising around 15mph back and forth from the Cracker Barrel.
Point is well taken, as yours always are Ipse.
To be more concise, I really meant: not heavier than the 992 already is.
I only have 300 miles on my base '23 Carrera and chose it for its relative lightness.
IMO 2850-3400 lbs is Goldilocks.
A few illustrations.
Roughly 3700 lbs and up is jumping the shark to me. The C8 Corvette is close at 3750.
2016-2018 BMW M2 OG 3450 lbs: yes. Current M2 at over 3800 lbs, no...or Nissan GTR 3850 no. NSX 3900 hell no.
Emira 3267 lbs or GT4 3227 lbs are perfect sports cars. (I am 6" 3.5" so....911 for me, perfect fit).
It will be interesting to if a lightweight electric 718 can be created, with more interior space and a solid state battery, with total weight under 3500 lbs and super low COG. Could be a fantastic autocrosser/canyon carver.
A Taycan Turbo S feels light on its feet, especially at the track. Yes, no joke.
The only thing holding it back from being a truly light car is how just eats through tires and brake pads.
But otherwise, it feels way lighter than it has any reason to be.
A Taycan Turbo S feels light on its feet, especially at the track. Yes, no joke.
The only thing holding it back from being a truly light car is how just eats through tires and brake pads.
But otherwise, it feels way lighter than it has any reason to be.
Subjective I suppose but I definitely wouldn’t describe it as light feeling. It’s quick but IMO heavy and feels dull and appliance-like. I probably have about 500+ miles in a Taycan Turbo S as my father owns one and it’s what I reluctantly drive when visiting.
X 3. Hopefully Porsche sells enough Taycans and other EV’s, that .GOV allows them to use gasoline engines in the 911 for the rest of my life (shooting for 50 more years) lol.
I’m DD’ing an IS500 with the Lexus 5.0 V8, just because of the sound (well, and 4 doors).
X 3. Hopefully Porsche sells enough Taycans and other EV’s, that .GOV allows them to use gasoline engines in the 911 for the rest of my life (shooting for 50 more years) lol.
Taycan sales figures were off 16% in 2022.
But I believe in 2024, Porsche is introducing the EV Macan? Then in 2025, more of its EV fleet will be EV. So that switch over should help to bolster EV sales for Porsche.
06-24-2023, 09:59 AM
