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Old 04-18-2023, 03:25 PM
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I’ve been told that some models, not all, will have NA engine, but I don’t know if it’s accurate.
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I can see it going NA in hybrid form. The electric motors fill in the low-end torque that the turbos do today. Awd with front electric motors in a plug-in hybrid variant. Gas only would stay turbo for the torque. The new Mazda CX-90 has a turbo 3.3L inline-6 as the base engine and I think with the hybrid. The plug-in hybrid gets a 2.5L naturally aspirated engine paired with the big electric on motor. Total output is about the same as the turbo inline-6. I can see Porsche adopting a similar strategy.
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Originally Posted by spdracerut
I can see it going NA in hybrid form. The electric motors fill in the low-end torque that the turbos do today. Awd with front electric motors in a plug-in hybrid variant. Gas only would stay turbo for the torque. The new Mazda CX-90 has a turbo 3.3L inline-6 as the base engine and I think with the hybrid. The plug-in hybrid gets a 2.5L naturally aspirated engine paired with the big electric on motor. Total output is about the same as the turbo inline-6. I can see Porsche adopting a similar strategy.
Posted in another thread, but newest shots do away with center exhaust in base form. Last shots of the GTS still had center exhaust. I can see them going Turbo of the base and S then distinguishing the GTS from the linup with N/A + Hybrid.

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If they do offer a NA trim level for the 992.2 911 (a big if ..) it most likely will be a limited, some type of pseudo heritage model that most mere mortals will not be able to get at MSRP, or even easily with a slight ADM.

Something like a baby, a poorman's version of the 992.2 ST

Because if there was a regular production 992.2 911 with a NA 9A2 engine, it would be slower by all the popular metrics (0-60, 1/4 mile, etc.) than the outgoing 992.1 911's with the turbo 3.0 engine. #LowEndTorque

Or maybe people are just so stupid that they are confusing the aforementioned 992.2 ST mules for the supposed unicorn 992.2 911 with a NA engine. Who knows.

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Originally Posted by 22992
Posted in another thread, but newest shots do away with center exhaust in base form. Last shots of the GTS still had center exhaust. I can see them going Turbo of the base and S then distinguishing the GTS from the linup with N/A + Hybrid.

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It’s funny how they keep moving the exhaust tips. The center mounted tips on my 981S were the one styling detail that I never liked. I was quite happy when they were separated on my Spyder.

As said, if the new engine is hybrid and the electric motor just replaces the turbos, the whole NA vs. FI debate becomes moot.
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Except that the turbo power is always there, the electric motor works only when the battery is charged/available.
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Originally Posted by Denny Swift
It’s funny how they keep moving the exhaust tips. The center mounted tips on my 981S were the one styling detail that I never liked. I was quite happy when they were separated on my Spyder.

As said, if the new engine is hybrid and the electric motor just replaces the turbos, the whole NA vs. FI debate becomes moot.
True, but then we have a lifelong debate on rennlist to look forward to: What is better, FI or Hybrid.

prediction: Hybrid doesn’t mute the engine note!
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If they were going to do it the 992 T would have been the perfect venue.

They didn’t and won’t.

The 982 4.0L is dead when the 982 comes to a close.

PAG claims 80% EV by 2030, so they’re not going backwards on emissions.
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Originally Posted by Denny Swift
It’s funny how they keep moving the exhaust tips. The center mounted tips on my 981S were the one styling detail that I never liked. I was quite happy when they were separated on my Spyder.

As said, if the new engine is hybrid and the electric motor just replaces the turbos, the whole NA vs. FI debate becomes moot.
It is also so ignorant of people to think that exhaust placement has anything to do with aspiration. No there weren’t any 991s with more centrally mounted exhausts that had turbos. Lol. Then turbo intakes are cited. There are so many intakes on these cars and so many options for where to bring air in. What about a place you can’t see? Is that impossible?
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Originally Posted by arrivederci
It is also so ignorant of people to think that exhaust placement has anything to do with aspiration. No there weren’t any 991s with more centrally mounted exhausts that had turbos. Lol. Then turbo intakes are cited. There are so many intakes on these cars and so many options for where to bring air in. What about a place you can’t see? Is that impossible?
Or maybe Porsche is just fcukng with all of us.
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
Or maybe Porsche is just fcukng with all of us.
math checks out it'd be hilarious (no math was involved)
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Originally Posted by arrivederci
It is also so ignorant of people to think that exhaust placement has anything to do with aspiration. No there weren’t any 991s with more centrally mounted exhausts that had turbos. Lol. Then turbo intakes are cited. There are so many intakes on these cars and so many options for where to bring air in. What about a place you can’t see? Is that impossible?
in the newest pics it looks like the centet section of the bumper is still being concealed, possibly where the hot intercooler air will exhaust. If tips are in the center, and the above statement is true, then the center tips can possibly mean no turbos. It’s a roundabout way of getting to a conclusion, but people are just speculating here. It isn’t JUST the center pipes, it’s the placement of intercooler exhaust. We’re all just having fun guessing. It’s not a big deal
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Originally Posted by 22992
True, but then we have a lifelong debate on rennlist to look forward to: What is better, FI or Hybrid.
I didn’t think of this! Imagine the arguments if there’s a pure NA, FI and also a NA + hybrid options within the 911 range, at the same time! 😱 There will be so many arguments that ChatGPT or Bard will have to break up the fights!

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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
If they do offer a NA trim level for the 992.2 911 (a big if ..) it most likely will be a limited, some type of pseudo heritage model that most mere mortals will not be able to get at MSRP, or even easily with a slight ADM.

Something like a baby, a poorman's version of the 992.2 ST

Because if there was a regular production 992.2 911 with a NA 9A2 engine, it would be slower by all the popular metrics (0-60, 1/4 mile, etc.) than the outgoing 992.1 911's with the turbo 3.0 engine. #LowEndTorque

Or maybe people are just so stupid that they are confusing the aforementioned 992.2 ST mules for the supposed unicorn 992.2 911 with a NA engine. Who knows.
I wonder if they will bring back the 911 E nameplate for the hybrid version. It’s not what the E used to stand for but alas. The E used to be the more luxurious version of the 911 S variant, if I read things right.
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Originally Posted by 22992
in the newest pics it looks like the centet section of the bumper is still being concealed, possibly where the hot intercooler air will exhaust. If tips are in the center, and the above statement is true, then the center tips can possibly mean no turbos. It’s a roundabout way of getting to a conclusion, but people are just speculating here. It isn’t JUST the center pipes, it’s the placement of intercooler exhaust. We’re all just having fun guessing. It’s not a big deal
Why does hot intercooler exhaust have to exit at a visible vent on the body or on the bumper? Why not the underbody? And to your point, there's still a lot of camo on the mules. On the 992.1, that intercooler exhaust goes to the lower rear fenders. But there is plumbing to take that from the central mounted intercooler all the way down to each side.



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