Speculating on 992.2 Carrera NA Motors
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I can see it going NA in hybrid form. The electric motors fill in the low-end torque that the turbos do today. Awd with front electric motors in a plug-in hybrid variant. Gas only would stay turbo for the torque. The new Mazda CX-90 has a turbo 3.3L inline-6 as the base engine and I think with the hybrid. The plug-in hybrid gets a 2.5L naturally aspirated engine paired with the big electric on motor. Total output is about the same as the turbo inline-6. I can see Porsche adopting a similar strategy.
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I can see it going NA in hybrid form. The electric motors fill in the low-end torque that the turbos do today. Awd with front electric motors in a plug-in hybrid variant. Gas only would stay turbo for the torque. The new Mazda CX-90 has a turbo 3.3L inline-6 as the base engine and I think with the hybrid. The plug-in hybrid gets a 2.5L naturally aspirated engine paired with the big electric on motor. Total output is about the same as the turbo inline-6. I can see Porsche adopting a similar strategy.
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A Nonce (04-19-2023)
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If they do offer a NA trim level for the 992.2 911 (a big if ..) it most likely will be a limited, some type of pseudo heritage model that most mere mortals will not be able to get at MSRP, or even easily with a slight ADM.
Something like a baby, a poorman's version of the 992.2 ST
Because if there was a regular production 992.2 911 with a NA 9A2 engine, it would be slower by all the popular metrics (0-60, 1/4 mile, etc.) than the outgoing 992.1 911's with the turbo 3.0 engine. #LowEndTorque
Or maybe people are just so stupid that they are confusing the aforementioned 992.2 ST mules for the supposed unicorn 992.2 911 with a NA engine. Who knows.
Something like a baby, a poorman's version of the 992.2 ST
Because if there was a regular production 992.2 911 with a NA 9A2 engine, it would be slower by all the popular metrics (0-60, 1/4 mile, etc.) than the outgoing 992.1 911's with the turbo 3.0 engine. #LowEndTorque
Or maybe people are just so stupid that they are confusing the aforementioned 992.2 ST mules for the supposed unicorn 992.2 911 with a NA engine. Who knows.
Last edited by ipse dixit; 04-18-2023 at 04:42 PM.
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A Nonce (04-19-2023)
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Posted in another thread, but newest shots do away with center exhaust in base form. Last shots of the GTS still had center exhaust. I can see them going Turbo of the base and S then distinguishing the GTS from the linup with N/A + Hybrid.
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As said, if the new engine is hybrid and the electric motor just replaces the turbos, the whole NA vs. FI debate becomes moot.
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A Nonce (04-19-2023)
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Except that the turbo power is always there, the electric motor works only when the battery is charged/available.
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It’s funny how they keep moving the exhaust tips. The center mounted tips on my 981S were the one styling detail that I never liked. I was quite happy when they were separated on my Spyder.
As said, if the new engine is hybrid and the electric motor just replaces the turbos, the whole NA vs. FI debate becomes moot.
As said, if the new engine is hybrid and the electric motor just replaces the turbos, the whole NA vs. FI debate becomes moot.
prediction: Hybrid doesn’t mute the engine note!
But it’s heavy!
Do you track?
No, but I feel it
No you don’t, I race and can’t feel it
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If they were going to do it the 992 T would have been the perfect venue.
They didn’t and won’t.
The 982 4.0L is dead when the 982 comes to a close.
PAG claims 80% EV by 2030, so they’re not going backwards on emissions.
They didn’t and won’t.
The 982 4.0L is dead when the 982 comes to a close.
PAG claims 80% EV by 2030, so they’re not going backwards on emissions.
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It’s funny how they keep moving the exhaust tips. The center mounted tips on my 981S were the one styling detail that I never liked. I was quite happy when they were separated on my Spyder.
As said, if the new engine is hybrid and the electric motor just replaces the turbos, the whole NA vs. FI debate becomes moot.
As said, if the new engine is hybrid and the electric motor just replaces the turbos, the whole NA vs. FI debate becomes moot.
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It is also so ignorant of people to think that exhaust placement has anything to do with aspiration. No there weren’t any 991s with more centrally mounted exhausts that had turbos. Lol. Then turbo intakes are cited. There are so many intakes on these cars and so many options for where to bring air in. What about a place you can’t see? Is that impossible?
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It is also so ignorant of people to think that exhaust placement has anything to do with aspiration. No there weren’t any 991s with more centrally mounted exhausts that had turbos. Lol. Then turbo intakes are cited. There are so many intakes on these cars and so many options for where to bring air in. What about a place you can’t see? Is that impossible?
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If they do offer a NA trim level for the 992.2 911 (a big if ..) it most likely will be a limited, some type of pseudo heritage model that most mere mortals will not be able to get at MSRP, or even easily with a slight ADM.
Something like a baby, a poorman's version of the 992.2 ST
Because if there was a regular production 992.2 911 with a NA 9A2 engine, it would be slower by all the popular metrics (0-60, 1/4 mile, etc.) than the outgoing 992.1 911's with the turbo 3.0 engine. #LowEndTorque
Or maybe people are just so stupid that they are confusing the aforementioned 992.2 ST mules for the supposed unicorn 992.2 911 with a NA engine. Who knows.
Something like a baby, a poorman's version of the 992.2 ST
Because if there was a regular production 992.2 911 with a NA 9A2 engine, it would be slower by all the popular metrics (0-60, 1/4 mile, etc.) than the outgoing 992.1 911's with the turbo 3.0 engine. #LowEndTorque
Or maybe people are just so stupid that they are confusing the aforementioned 992.2 ST mules for the supposed unicorn 992.2 911 with a NA engine. Who knows.
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in the newest pics it looks like the centet section of the bumper is still being concealed, possibly where the hot intercooler air will exhaust. If tips are in the center, and the above statement is true, then the center tips can possibly mean no turbos. It’s a roundabout way of getting to a conclusion, but people are just speculating here. It isn’t JUST the center pipes, it’s the placement of intercooler exhaust. We’re all just having fun guessing. It’s not a big deal