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Old 03-05-2023, 04:46 PM
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03-05-2023, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 22992
Let me summarize: If you paid ADM on a GTS or S, you’ve now lost it all
This was always true. ADM is money out the window. The best ROI is driving your car.
Old 03-05-2023, 05:09 PM
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What exactly is the data point of "price"?

I have yet to see/hear him explain that.

Just curious.
Old 03-05-2023, 07:39 PM
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Let me summarize: If you paid ADM on a GTS or S, you’ve now lost it all
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Originally Posted by 22992
Let me summarize: If you paid ADM on a GTS or S, you’ve now lost it all
This was always true. ADM is money out the window. The best ROI is driving your car.
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Old 03-05-2023, 09:10 PM
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It reinforces my gratitude of having gotten a D in Accounting and Finance in college; meaning I would never have to take this stuff again. I need a drink after that...

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Old 03-06-2023, 08:51 AM
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ADM = Absolutely Disposable Money
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Let's be a little bit real here...we spent a lot of disposable income on a nice car and enjoy driving it. I would venture to guess that there are not a lot of owners here that will be influenced too much worrying if they should hold off buying because things might go south.

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There's some misunderstanding here probably based on the clickbaitey title...this video reviews the USED market for all modern generation Carreras. It doesn't speak to new car prices. So while I would agree that yes, in general ADM is money lost, the video simply points out that the used 911 market is trending towards pre-pandemic levels.

It also shows some interesting secondary trends, like S and GTS models more recently losing value at a faster rate than the base models in some generations.
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Originally Posted by remington
There's some misunderstanding here probably based on the clickbaitey title...this video reviews the USED market for all modern generation Carreras. It doesn't speak to new car prices. So while I would agree that yes, in general ADM is money lost, the video simply points out that the used 911 market is trending towards pre-pandemic levels.

It also shows some interesting secondary trends, like S and GTS models more recently losing value at a faster rate than the base models in some generations.
Are the S and GTS in the 992 generation losing more value than the Turbo S? I’m on a waitlist for a Turbo S but it is at least 2 years long. GTS waitlist is supposedly only 1 year. May pivot to GTS list.
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Originally Posted by Johnauto
Are the S and GTS in the 992 generation losing more value than the Turbo S? I’m on a waitlist for a Turbo S but it is at least 2 years long. GTS waitlist is supposedly only 1 year. May pivot to GTS list.
From what I am hearing, TT and TTS allocations should be coming down the pipeline in more volume than in the past 2 years. Not sure if that means there will be more allocations than GTS, as I am not sure how GTS v. TT/TTS allocations compared historically.
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Originally Posted by Johnauto
Are the S and GTS in the 992 generation losing more value than the Turbo S? I’m on a waitlist for a Turbo S but it is at least 2 years long. GTS waitlist is supposedly only 1 year. May pivot to GTS list.
Turbo S were trading in at MSRPa few months ago - they may be trading in below MSRP at this point.

Resale has dropped pretty dramatically on the TTS, I think. Some people who paid $100k over sticker are going to get hammered. TTS has never held value like a GT car, so pricing them like a GT car was a ticking time bomb. Same with GTS and S.

Really it depends on what you're paying - if you're getting a TTS at sticker, you'll be fine. You'll take a depreciation hit come resale time, but that's normal.
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With the annual price increases on 992's, I would think this helps keeps the secondary market pricing strong. At least I hope it does as I'm about to purchase a 2021.
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Honestly- these are depreciating assets.

If that bothers you one should not buy them
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Originally Posted by Jimmy-D
Honestly- these are depreciating assets.

If that bothers you one should not buy them
100%

And yet supply of new cars remains tight, which ought to keep the used market relatively stable. Porsches don't depreciate like BMW or MB.
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Originally Posted by Jimmy-D
Honestly- these are depreciating assets.

If that bothers you one should not buy them
I depreciate every car I have ever purchased to zero in my head the day I buy it.
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