911 Dakar in person
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I found this interesting: https://www.theautopian.com/we-took-...-aerodynamics/
Looks like Porsche really took some shortcuts on the under-carriage protection.
Homologation, weight and cost control may have played a role but definitely the Dakar is not equipped to go further than an unpaved road or some deep snow.
#48
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Under carriage protection
This is the biggest area of concern in my opinion and a potential fail on Porsche part: the skid plate should have gone over this area as the risk is very real even on very light offroad.
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other than YouTubers and automag journalists, this model won’t see anything more than hard packed dirt trails and sand dunes.
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#51
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Is there an echo here ...
So my take on this build is:
A meeting of the Steering Committee guys @P is held several years ago where it's asked if anyone has any new ideas on how to bring more $$$ in. The pseudo historian in the group mentions recalling a Dakar edition which brought new fame and fortune back in the day. A tentative proof of concept is granted and the first and second iteration result in the near cancellation of the project as costs had by far exceeded potential sale prices since this was never intended to go anywhere near Dakar. Still wanting and deeming the project of value, a critical design review was ordered with the creation of a new group consisting of nothing but bean counters. This is the result.... a definite eye catcher at the Mall or Vegas and an insult to the original developers of the winning 911.
siberian
So my take on this build is:
A meeting of the Steering Committee guys @P is held several years ago where it's asked if anyone has any new ideas on how to bring more $$$ in. The pseudo historian in the group mentions recalling a Dakar edition which brought new fame and fortune back in the day. A tentative proof of concept is granted and the first and second iteration result in the near cancellation of the project as costs had by far exceeded potential sale prices since this was never intended to go anywhere near Dakar. Still wanting and deeming the project of value, a critical design review was ordered with the creation of a new group consisting of nothing but bean counters. This is the result.... a definite eye catcher at the Mall or Vegas and an insult to the original developers of the winning 911.
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Last edited by siberian; 11-27-2022 at 12:01 PM.
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I found this interesting: https://www.theautopian.com/we-took-...-aerodynamics/
https://www.pca.org/news/porsche-911...ion-473-hp-awd
1 - skid plates are sold separately through Tequipment. I assume they aren't installed standard as it makes all service more difficult.
2 - the hood is the same lightweight hood from GT3. There isn't a heat exchanger there to improve approach angle. Additional cooling provided by larger intercoolers. Air flow through hood vents still will improve down force and help balance rear wing, so not purely cosmetic.
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#53
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The majority of the article seems to be concerned about the lack of underbody skid plates, specifically discussing the oil plan. The second point is on lack of heat exchanger in the center. Both points are covered in this article. Feels like the writer should have gotten better answers before writing that article.
https://www.pca.org/news/porsche-911...ion-473-hp-awd
1 - skid plates are sold separately through Tequipment. I assume they aren't installed standard as it makes all service more difficult.
2 - the hood is the same lightweight hood from GT3. There isn't a heat exchanger there to improve approach angle. Additional cooling provided by larger intercoolers. Air flow through hood vents still will improve down force and help balance rear wing, so not purely cosmetic.
https://www.pca.org/news/porsche-911...ion-473-hp-awd
1 - skid plates are sold separately through Tequipment. I assume they aren't installed standard as it makes all service more difficult.
2 - the hood is the same lightweight hood from GT3. There isn't a heat exchanger there to improve approach angle. Additional cooling provided by larger intercoolers. Air flow through hood vents still will improve down force and help balance rear wing, so not purely cosmetic.
Basically both the water cooling radiators and the intercoolers are from the Turbo but both relocated in a position specific to the Dakar.
Having a skid plate kit to be installed separately aftermarket can make sense, as it is of limited interest for most customers.
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I will check out and consider Lamborghini Huracan Sterrato when it’s revealed this week. If not Sterrato, then 911 Turbo S.
Don’t think I will be happy with the power in a 911 GTS. Been rejected countless times for 911 and Cayman GT (GT3, GT3 RS, GT4, GT4 RS) new allocations. Not spending $375K for a used GT3 or GT3 Touring. Ferrari Tributo and 296 GTB are all sold out as is Mclaren 720s. Not interested in Corvettes.
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Interesting, so what's the criteria you're looking for in a vehicle? As to my untrained eye it's more "exclusivity" than actual application since I can't really see the cars you seek as being similar in terms of end use.
The Serrato looks like it has some limited dirt track applicability while the Ferrari clearly doesn't nor I would venture the McLaren. As to the Dakar, there's a lot more than a hood or frunk, an aftermarket oil pan and skid plate to pretend entering in the Paris Dakar or anything close to it.
Just interested as it's a nice choice of cars indeed.
siberian
The Serrato looks like it has some limited dirt track applicability while the Ferrari clearly doesn't nor I would venture the McLaren. As to the Dakar, there's a lot more than a hood or frunk, an aftermarket oil pan and skid plate to pretend entering in the Paris Dakar or anything close to it.
Just interested as it's a nice choice of cars indeed.
siberian
Last edited by siberian; 11-27-2022 at 07:22 PM.
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Interesting, so what's the criteria you're looking for in a vehicle? As to my untrained eye it's more "exclusivity" than actual application since I can't really see the cars you seek as being similar in terms of end use.
The Serrato looks like it has some limited dirt track applicability while the Ferrari clearly doesn't nor I would venture the McLaren. As to the Dakar, there's a lot more than a hood or frunk, an aftermarket oil pan and skid plate to pretend entering in the Paris Dakar or anything close to it.
Just interested as it's a nice choice of cars indeed.
siberian
The Serrato looks like it has some limited dirt track applicability while the Ferrari clearly doesn't nor I would venture the McLaren. As to the Dakar, there's a lot more than a hood or frunk, an aftermarket oil pan and skid plate to pretend entering in the Paris Dakar or anything close to it.
Just interested as it's a nice choice of cars indeed.
siberian
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Thanks for clarifying, GL in your search and keep us posted!
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Keep your fingers crossed for me to get my hands on it and then I am making it my company car of engineering infrastructure building company.
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