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That’s not quite how I read it. The GTS S-PASM is equivalent to the turbo S-PASM, which is unavailable on the CS. The GTS can ordered with the base PASM (non-Sport) of the CS. The S-PASM on CS is somewhere in between the base PASM and GTS S-PASM. So yes, a S-PASM CS would be more stiffly sprung than a GTS optioned with the basic PASM.
That's how I read it too. It would be of idle interest to measure ride heights, say at the front fender, on the various options. You'd have to expect an S without sports PASM would be the same as a GTS with the standard PASM, but that an S with S-PASM would vary a little from the 'standard' GTS.
Suddenly I must say trading in the S for a GTS does seem more appealing.....but then again, with current market values I'd be looking at well over $50k to swap. So suddenly I love my S again!
I don’t think a single person has argued that the GTS is not superior to the S. I’m a little confused if that was ever questionable. You get what you pay for. But having said that, the video brings to light that there are some configurations where an S can actually be optioned out with stiffer springs than a GTS. So Porsche intended some level of overlap. I personally don’t understand the point of the softer spring option in the GTS. Also I think Porsche should have just made RWS standard on the GTS. It seems to be a big factor in getting around tight corners on a track.
I use a C2S with PASM sport as my daily and also track it a fair amount. I believe it achieves these roles better than a GTS. I looked into a GTS that had been introduced a few weeks before my lock date, but was disappointed to learn I could not configure it with the same spec as a C2S. Even though I’m paying top dollar Porsche decided I must take black centerlocks with the Aerokit in HGB which was a dealbreaker. As far as stiffer suspension I’m happy with the ride quality of the C2S on the street and see no reason to go any stiffer. I also have PDCC which improves ride quality for the street and ensures no body roll on track. However, I found the C2S rotors with Ferodo DS3.14 pads were not up to the job for my driving style with cracks growing fast. Replaced them after 9 track days with Girodisc rotors which reduced unsprung weight and inertia and are performing flawlessly. For me the biggest benefit of a GTS would be buckets for the track, but would not want to deal with them on a daily basis.
I use a C2S with PASM sport as my daily and also track it a fair amount. I believe it achieves these roles better than a GTS. I looked into a GTS that had been introduced a few weeks before my lock date, but was disappointed to learn I could not configure it with the same spec as a C2S. Even though I’m paying top dollar Porsche decided I must take black centerlocks with the Aerokit in HGB which was a dealbreaker. As far as stiffer suspension I’m happy with the ride quality of the C2S on the street and see no reason to go any stiffer. I also have PDCC which improves ride quality for the street and ensures no body roll on track. However, I found the C2S rotors with Ferodo DS3.14 pads were not up to the job for my driving style with cracks growing fast. Replaced them after 9 track days with Girodisc rotors which reduced unsprung weight and inertia and are performing flawlessly. For me the biggest benefit of a GTS would be buckets for the track, but would not want to deal with them on a daily basis.
This is why there is really no one 911 that is absolutely better than another one.
It all depends on you, and your own individual use case.
Coming from a 2018 GT3 this direct quote is dead on- "If you do not want to drive a GT3 everyday than this is the car for you".
Loved my 2018 and is was certainly an event when I took her out it just had some compromises that the GTs is void of for daily driving. I have always said that the GTSs' steering and damping feels just like my 2018 and I believe they hinted at this. The only thing I miss from my GT3 is that freakin NA exhaust that you can never get a GTS to replicate but there in nothing more that I miss. And, the throttle response is just as snappy in the GTS as it was in my GT3. Both cars feel special to drive but neither more special than the other
Anyone considering a Carrera-S with upgraded seats, Sport Chrono, Sports exhaust, S-PASM, SportDesign Package, ED tailiights and upgraded wheels as part of their configuration should at least look at the GTS, as the Carrera-S with these options is smack in the GTS pricing that has all these standard. You then get the power bump, turbo suspension and brakes thrown in for free, plus some exclusive options .
I bought a fairly well spec'd new Carrera S Cab for $135k
With modern ADMs, a GTS is over $200k
Sorry folks, but there is no way in heck I'd spend over $200k for a sports car and it be anything with "Carrera" in the name, no matter how much you want to defend this car. It's just not special enough.
When? $135,800 is the base MSRP for the CS Cab and i doubt people are buying them below MSRP right now. Its apples to oranges to compare what you paid for a CS Cab before the madness to what a GTS is going for at the absolute top of the market. Granted, higher ADMs on the GTS make the "premium" for the GTS even more, but not $65,000 more.
It’s just an S with turned up boost. Values are dropping. Nick Murray said it’s trash.
I’ll watch it this evening 😁
True. A bit of boost, bigger brakes. If you go for the whole package, lowered suspension with turbo helper springs, a different animal from the S. A lot of the options (sport design package, etc) that, if spec'd on a Carrera S, make the deal pretty good. I wanted an S, got a GTS allocation. Cost about $5K more versus the S configuration. If you're into the track car mode, the GTS is a step closer to the GT3 when you're all in with the racetex, lowered suspension, etc. I went for a Gran Turismo configuration: leather interior, lowered suspension delete, RS Spyder wheels so pretty much an S with power/brakes/unique trim. It's a great car, but yes I'd be just as happy with the S.
can someone help me understand, does this mean the 4S can pull higher maximum gs than RWD variants?
I think it simply boils down to varying test conditions (temperature, age of the tires, surface condition).
Originally Posted by Ull
I have pulled 1.28g in my S cab. (If i recall correctly, thats the highest so far I've seen on the screen)
Has anyone hit 1.3g in an AWD S/GTS
It's also important to point out that there's a difference between peak g and average sustained g. What you see on your carès screen is peak g. What C&D publishes is average sustained g by driving the car around a skidpad and measuring the average fastest speed it can achieve in both direction; knowing the skidpad diameter, the average g can be calculated. This gives a decent appreciation of how fast a car can go around a corner.
09-27-2022, 03:10 PM
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