Dudewithout992

Looks like another job for the Profit Isaiah.

Nibiru12

I don't know about 996, but 997.1 had a transmission called Tiptronic, 5 speeds with torque converter.

Car magazines did not even review those much, preferred manual at the time.

And then for 997.2, PDK was introduced, many said it was better than the manual, faster, and 997.2's engine and transmission basically carried over to 991.1.

Then 991.2 had Turbo engines for base and S, which carried over to the next gen 992.1 without much modification.

So, I think for 992.2, IF the trend continues, we'll get new engines, probably hybrid for base S and turbos.


997.1 -> 5 speed Tiptronic, port fuel injection engine

997.2 -> PDK, direct-injection engine
991.1 minor change powertrain

991.2 -> Turbo Engines for non-turbos
992.1 minor change powertrain


Thus, trend has been, big changes in powertrain for mid-cycle refresh.

I hope we will get hybrid... better performance and fuel economy...

Better performance -> customers care more.
Better fuel economy -> porsche cares more.... the regulations...

I will be disappointed if we don't get hybrid...


Oh, BTW, this is Nick, far more responsible than mainstream and a successful part-time YouTuber with 200k+ subscribers.

Marcha

Yes they haven’t been shy of introducing major updates at the facelift but they have all been just progressions, updates to what already existed. We’d already had an auto gearbox for decades since the Sportmatic thro the tipo and there had obviously been a turbocharged engine for decades also. Neither was revolutionary.
The electrified hybrid 911 is the biggest revolution since moving from air to liquid cooled at the introduction of the 996.
Anyway if they are all hybrid at 992.2 nobody would be happier than me to have one of the last produced I.C. Engined Targas with manual gearbox as that was my motivation when I ordered the car. Happy days.

slc4s

They said from the beginning that 992 transmission was built with the space/components needed to employ a hybrid powertrain. It was part of the original press package on the car, so I'd actually be more surprised if we did NOT see a hybrid option for 992.2.

nyca

So the 2023 model year is going to be two different cars - the 992.1 for Q1 and Q2 deliveries, and then the 992.2 starting in Q3? Or are they going to have a short 2023 model year and roll to the 2024 MY for the 992.2? All confusing and hard to line up. Everything I read about the 992.2 is not a positive (digital dash, now a drivetrain change?) and this adds to it.

The comments on Nick's video are interesting - posters there saying orders in China are collapsing because of the economy there. That's really the only way the US can get more cars, for some other global market to collapse.

22992

I feel the same way. Why would they dump the current engine(s)/ Trans. The trans was built for hybrid tech and they have more than enough engine options for the 911. Possibly some enhancements/modifications to both, but totally new?....I don't see it Hybrid seems to be the only route to go if they want a significantly different powertrain.

Nibiru12

992.2 will be MY 2024, announced in early-mid 2023... hopefully around April...

I don't think Chinese market collapsed, just a temporary shut down.

They will keep buying more Porsches next year.

Benz, BMW, Audi, Porsche, all sell more cars in China than in the North & Latin Americas combined or in Europe.

So there are direct cargo railways from China to Germany now... first one started operating in 2020 and expanding... 14,000 km long...


Recently, I bought a high-end Audio, and found that all the dealers suffering delays and long waits due to products going to China, rather than part shortages.

So I could get zero discount.... lucky to pay MSRP.

According to the dealers, even the American brands like McIntosh, Wilson, Magico, all hurriedly ship their products to China first, ignoring American customers...


But the recent real worry is that if the Germany itself would be around for MY 2024....

Tompoodie

I really, really wanted a paint to sample car.
I placed my order one year and four months ago, was told just six weeks ago my delivery would be February and in the past week was told the delivery would be moved to December. Obviously that would be a 2024, 992.2.

I am making the difficult decision to go with a conventional color so that I get a 2023. There has been a PTS deluge due to the pandemic hiatus.
I suspect the new PTS interface on the configurator with more limited choices has also stoked demand.
Hybrid is great for a transportation car, but the added battery weight with a sports car,
especially for someone who wants to do autocross, is absolutely a dealbreaker. Agree with the above, that 992.1 potentially being the last
NA 911 may increase value.

Also the loss of the analog tach is a big deal to me and I'm sure to many others.

I'm still finding conflicting reports regarding whether 992.2 will be hybrid turbo 3.0, hybrid NA, or one report stating that only the Turbo 3.8 will be getting the hybrid.

No new 992.2 info of not that I can find in the past four weeks. Anyone have any better information regarding the 992.2 powertrain?

ipse dixit

I think by "new engine" we are most likely looking at KERS (a mild hybird system a la 918), which Porsche can use as a "canary in the landmine" for an upcoming next refresh of the 992.2 GT3 RS (or perhaps a 992 GT2 RS) and the 992.2 TT/TTS.

lastsun

I wish the 992.2 is a hybrid so my 992.1 goes up in value haha

aggie57

Some of you guys take Nick far more seriously than he does himself. Hell, the guy happily drives his 993 in the rain. And he has a BMW E30 back in NZ which isn't even a sporty model, but he loves it. I like the guy, he's genuine and no BS.

jtsrenn

Ditto!

Bluehighways

Does that make it a water cooled 993?
Another thought. Why does he have dogs that clearly look like they chase parked cars?

aggie57

jtsrenn

Have we really devolved where we're getting snarky about dogs? I think the dogs are great and enhance the videos. There's a hilarious video (which I think is no longer posted) where he's getting gas and one of dogs walks on the center console (in his 991), steps on the door lock button and locks him out of the car. at the gas station. I think it took him 20-30 minutes to get the dog to walk back over the button and unlock the car.