Dealers Selling at MSRP
01-07-2023 | 04:21 PM
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18 month wait for a GTS, yeah, I agree 100%, that is ridiculous. Who waits a year and a half for a car.
In reality they are just not available at that point or the dealer can't get the product which is his problem not mine.
This "OMG those are soooooo hard to get", "We have to charge way over sticker because of the chip shortage", "We'll put you on the list", blah, blah, blah. All this crap is really getting old at this point and they have taught me along with others that I know that we can definitely live an enjoyable life without a high performance sports car in the garage. They can shove the ugly watch along with all the mandatory ceramic and PPF rear end jobs.
I'll get back in this game when the clouds of BS and manipulation clear. If that is years or never then so be it.
In reality they are just not available at that point or the dealer can't get the product which is his problem not mine.
This "OMG those are soooooo hard to get", "We have to charge way over sticker because of the chip shortage", "We'll put you on the list", blah, blah, blah. All this crap is really getting old at this point and they have taught me along with others that I know that we can definitely live an enjoyable life without a high performance sports car in the garage. They can shove the ugly watch along with all the mandatory ceramic and PPF rear end jobs.
I'll get back in this game when the clouds of BS and manipulation clear. If that is years or never then so be it.
01-07-2023 | 04:36 PM
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After attending a PCA Porsche and Coffee social this morning (over 90 P’s showed up) I stopped off at a local Mercedes dealer to chat with a SA I have purchased 3 AMG’s from.
A few observations and comments from the salesman.
He still doesn’t have as many new cars to sell as there are potential customers.
All new car sales are preordered unless someone cancels.
AMD’s will be the norm for a while due to demand.
Mercedes transitioning to EV’s has cut conventional auto supply since the gasoline engine production line has been reduced 50%.
Dealers and SA’s like this “model” for premium cars since revenue and income has increased for them.
A few observations and comments from the salesman.
He still doesn’t have as many new cars to sell as there are potential customers.
All new car sales are preordered unless someone cancels.
AMD’s will be the norm for a while due to demand.
Mercedes transitioning to EV’s has cut conventional auto supply since the gasoline engine production line has been reduced 50%.
Dealers and SA’s like this “model” for premium cars since revenue and income has increased for them.
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01-07-2023 | 05:35 PM
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After attending a PCA Porsche and Coffee social this morning (over 90 P’s showed up) I stopped off at a local Mercedes dealer to chat with a SA I have purchased 3 AMG’s from. A few observations and comments from the salesman. He still doesn’t have as many new cars to sell as there are potential customers.All new car sales are preordered unless someone cancels.AMD’s will be the norm for a while due to demand.Mercedes transitioning to EV’s has cut conventional auto supply since the gasoline engine production line has been reduced 50%.Dealers and SA’s like this “model” for premium cars since revenue and income has increased for them.
Have I mentioned how much I loathe electric cars? They are anathema to me. Politicians suck canal water.
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01-07-2023 | 08:53 PM
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What happens to the EV "transition" when the government stops paying people to buy them?
How do you navigate day in day out with an EV when you don't have a garage or when Gavin tells you not to recharge because there aren't enough electrons to go around.
What does the average schmo who is trying to make ends meet and is broke by the end of every month afford a $60,000 EV?
How do the millions of Americans who park on the streets and alley ways where ever they can find a spot recharge?
How do you navigate day in day out with an EV when you don't have a garage or when Gavin tells you not to recharge because there aren't enough electrons to go around.
What does the average schmo who is trying to make ends meet and is broke by the end of every month afford a $60,000 EV?
How do the millions of Americans who park on the streets and alley ways where ever they can find a spot recharge?
Also most Americans live in houses and will be able to charge at home. the middle class will likely not have much trouble making the transition.
the poor and working class who rely on driving will have the most difficulty making the transition. Very doubtful that BEVs during our lifetime will ever be as convenient or cost effective for them as ICE cars have been so far.
imagine commuting an hour each day only to have to spend an extra hour or two lining up for a public charging spot every 3 to 4 days, likely for the same price as a gas fill up.
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01-07-2023 | 10:05 PM
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What happens to the EV "transition" when the government stops paying people to buy them?
How do you navigate day in day out with an EV when you don't have a garage or when Gavin tells you not to recharge because there aren't enough electrons to go around.
What does the average schmo who is trying to make ends meet and is broke by the end of every month afford a $60,000 EV?
How do the millions of Americans who park on the streets and alley ways where ever they can find a spot recharge?
How do you navigate day in day out with an EV when you don't have a garage or when Gavin tells you not to recharge because there aren't enough electrons to go around.
What does the average schmo who is trying to make ends meet and is broke by the end of every month afford a $60,000 EV?
How do the millions of Americans who park on the streets and alley ways where ever they can find a spot recharge?
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01-07-2023 | 10:10 PM
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One thing will never change; people will scream and moan and groan every time change occurs. And yet change is constant .. and thus people complaining.
FWIW, I waited nearly 18 months for my 991.2 GTS also; but that wait, like the wait for my 992 GTS, was because I was on the list long before the car was released. Being on "the list" to get the Porsche you want is the only way I've ever experienced the purchase experience. My dealership made it easy; 1k refundable deposit, and wait. The list is real, at least at my dealership.
I'm not sure what the process would have been like if I wanted a base or S. The GTS options pak happens to suit my taste perfectly, so I was willing to wait and pay a bit more both times.
FWIW, I waited nearly 18 months for my 991.2 GTS also; but that wait, like the wait for my 992 GTS, was because I was on the list long before the car was released. Being on "the list" to get the Porsche you want is the only way I've ever experienced the purchase experience. My dealership made it easy; 1k refundable deposit, and wait. The list is real, at least at my dealership.
I'm not sure what the process would have been like if I wanted a base or S. The GTS options pak happens to suit my taste perfectly, so I was willing to wait and pay a bit more both times.
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01-07-2023 | 10:15 PM
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01-08-2023 | 02:03 AM
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01-08-2023 | 02:36 AM
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Then you must not know any politicians. They're sucking up that canal water at every meal and snack. Spineless scumbags every one of them. The only thing they care about is staying in Office. Hence the suckage.
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01-08-2023 | 08:42 AM
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Sure, "most" do. But a not-insignificant percentage do not. And then when you get to the more populous areas - particularly cities - "most" do not. You only need one visit to any major city n America to realize the logistical challenge of going EV across the board. Not to mention folks that live in homes in higher crime areas who might be unable to leave an expensive charging cable unattended overnight while the car charges.
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01-08-2023 | 11:04 AM
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the cost of gas will likely continue to go up until the the cost of acquiring a BEV makes economical sense even without government incentives.Also most Americans live in houses and will be able to charge at home. the middle class will likely not have much trouble making the transition.the poor and working class who rely on driving will have the most difficulty making the transition. Very doubtful that BEVs during our lifetime will ever be as convenient or cost effective for them as ICE cars have been so far.imagine commuting an hour each day only to have to spend an extra hour or two lining up for a public charging spot every 3 to 4 days, likely for the same price as a gas fill up.
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01-08-2023 | 11:01 PM
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01-09-2023 | 12:33 PM
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The Average Middle Class you refer to must live differently where you live compared to what I've seen. The average cost of a new BEV is around $65K, and there's no way regular working class people can afford that, let alone two of them. IMO the whole concept is impractical for every-day, working class, normal people. I hate the whole business.
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01-09-2023 | 01:08 PM
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Sure, "most" do. But a not-insignificant percentage do not. And then when you get to the more populous areas - particularly cities - "most" do not. You only need one visit to any major city n America to realize the logistical challenge of going EV across the board. Not to mention folks that live in homes in higher crime areas who might be unable to leave an expensive charging cable unattended overnight while the car charges.