AlexCeres

yeah this is completely baffling to me.

3rdpedal

Who is this guy at C&D?

"The twin-turbo 3.0-liter flat-six is tuned up with more boost to produce 473 horsepower and 420 pound-feet of torque, 30 more of each than the Carrera S offers."

The GTS was not tuned up. The Carrera S is actually a detuned GTS. Porsche has said that the 992 engine was developed as the GTS engine, which they tucked away, tuned down by 30hp and released as the Carrera S, not the other way around. If you are going to write up the GTS, that is certainly a point worth mentioning.

doug_999

Switch to the S suspension. Doesn’t sound like you are tracking it and yes, the ride will be worse on crap roads with the stock GTS suspension.

Kind of reminds me of my old M2 - road brutal on Chicago roads (and C&D echoed that), but there were plenty of people who were like “I wish it was stiffer”. Screw that, I’m the one riding in the car, not them.

BlackBeauty

This, do not dump the clutch.

rk-d

I wonder if they're driving the thing in downtown Detroit or somewhere similar. Not the smartest place to test drive a sports car, but it wouldn't surprise me.

CanAutM3

I have a 992TT with S-PASM, which is a very similar setup to the GTS. I love how how my car rides and handles, it is a fantastic sports car. But I would definitely not categorize my car as a “smooth cruiser” (yes, I run the comfort tire pressures). It it quite stiffly sprung and can be quite jarring on more pronounced road irregularities, but it is very well damped so it remains well controlled.

JonCanadian

Are there any F8x M3/M4 drivers here? I'm working on my 992 GTS build and am honestly wondering about whether to untick the S-PASM box. The city roads where I am are not great, but I'm happy with my M3 suspension in comfort mode. Is S-PASM much stiffer/harsher than F8x?

CanAutM3

I come from 20 years of M3/4 and have owned 2 F82. My last one was an M4cs mounted on MP-HAS and can attest my 992TT (similar setup as the GTS) is much more stiffly sprung than my M4cs was. However, my 911 turbo is much better damped (an the F82cs was already a very well damped car).

I would still keep the S-PASM on your GTS though, it is a key distinctive element that makes a GTS a GTS over the other Carreras. While quite stiff, it remains perfectly liveable.

JonCanadian

Thanks for the info. I guess that if you can live with S-PASM in Mtl, then it should be fine anywhere :-).

ara

I drive my gts in montreal and it rides great is comfort mode. Even in sport+ it's really not that bad. Our roads are embarrasingly bad.

dhirm5

The key to driving these cars on bad roads is to actually *watch* the road. Slow down on or avoid the big bumps and holes.

Some folks just blindly drive along -- those are the ones that complain about the too-stuff suspension. You know who you are. If you're one of those, stick to luxo-cruisers and suvs.

CanAutM3

I think he misses the mark more deeply than that. He was lazy with his research.

IMO, the GTS does not split the difference between the Carrera-S and GT3 as he says in his intro, but rather splits it between the Carrera-S and the turbo. The GTS is a mix and match of Carrera and turbo bits (S-PASM, CL wheels, brakes, optional lightweight pack) , while it shares nothing with the GT3 (distinctive elements).

The 992 GTS is definitely not in the same slot as the 991.1 GTS was.

AlterZgo

I have a 992 S w/ SPASM. It rides noticeably firmer than the PASM equipped cars I test drove and firmer than my F80 M3. To me a stock SPASM equipped 992 drives like a lowered car with reduced suspension travel. Over small bumps, the suspension absorbs things well and the ride is decent. Over larger bumps and dips, the car definitely is not magic carpet smooth and can throw you around as you have run out of the limited suspension travel. 10mm may not be much but it felt very noticeable to me. Regular PASM has a near perfect ride/ handling balance. SPASM does not. Too bad PASM looks ridiculously high for a sports car. I’ve since lowered my SPASM equipped 992 with Bilstein EVO coil overs and surprisingly the ride quality actually improved.

If I were in your shoes, I’d keep the SPASM on a GTS. Just don’t expect a smoother ride than your M3. However, as CanAutM3 indicates, the Porsche has superior damping which doesn’t necessarily feel softer but more controlled and not as loose.

I run standard tire pressures and find the ride to be firm but not objectionable at all. It is a sports car. It’s not meant to be a smooth GT cruiser like a Mercedes sedan or a jack of all trades car like an M3.

JonCanadian

We have a Macan GTS for GT smoothness so that's not really an issue for us. If I have any complaint about my M3 (other than the engine note) is that the handling tends to get unsettled on rough roads at speed.

Vaf

There are some really good threads on tire pressure. From the dealer, my GTS was super stiff, all tire pressure related. I think I am down to 39 and 36 now. Ride is great, I don’t lose anything, and just love this car.