4carl

I have an M2 competition as a driver. 56,000 miles never missed a beat or burned a drop of oil. It’s actually been a really good car and I’ve never kept a car for 100,000 miles but I may with this one.

doug_999

Short of the people who tuned their S55, most people seemed to love their M3/M4 (love = car is reliable)

Now to be fair, I rarely owned a BMW more than 3 years (except for my 1M).

M3Inline6

There are pockets of general complainers and the JD Power threads over there are ripe with complainers. Lol! Many of BMW’s issues were electronics as well; that and “usability”. Apparently iDrive is too difficult for some.

My most recent F82 M4 was the longest I ever kept a car; I owned that car for 4 years. Every prior car wasn’t owned longer than 2 and some less than 6 months. When I think of reliability I mostly defer to mechanical or electrical issues that impact crucial/critical elements of the car’s operation. I don’t lump minor things into my overall reliability assessment. I wouldn’t label a 992 unreliable because of buggy PCM software that resets my stereo EQ settings, for example. That’s not to say the behavior wouldn’t be annoying, however.

icanthelpit

Plenty of buyers at good $s for those dissatisfied with their Porsche's of every 911 iteration. For those of us happy with our cars these survey-based reports are irrelevant. JD Power in particular is pay-to-play just like Malcom Baldridge for business. I dread when I'm asked by my boss to provide input to such biased surveys. You do know that much more than not; gripes are reported rather than praise in all of this. Happy is just that, happy. Negativity loves company.

4carl

I remember when the average for the surveys were like 115 problems per hundred cars. There were some cars with less than 100 problems per hundred cars. You would think they would come a time when manufacturers would start eliminating some of the technology that customers really don’t understand or need. All it does is add cost and complexity. I don’t have one piece of technology that I fully understand all the features . Carl

politeperson

32,000 miles in my Carrera, no problems. In fact the car is better now than when it was new.
Initial oil consumption (1 quart in 15,000 miles when new) turned to zero quarts once the rings had bedded in.
Fuel consumption is now regularly over 450 miles on a tank. 500 miles is possible. It is not so much driving slowly, 80/90 mph is fine with a few acceleration bursts for 480 miles+.
It is short journeys that get the range down to below 400 miles.
The mechanical feel of the car is of a brand new, car suspension, engine and gearbox all perfect.
The body is like new, I ceramic coated it when is was new, as is the interior and the feel of all the switch-gear steering wheel and handles.
Just been to look at the front brake pads. I would say they still have 60% of the pads material left.
Wheels are in perfect condition, no buckling or cracks, not even a stone chip.
Just gets better and better.
Off to France tomorrow in the 911, Le Mans Classic.

TR772

I can't disagree, my front passenger seats still beeps for 60 seconds when my 40 pound daughter gets out. Some of the little things are just really bad.

4carl

This morning on my bike ride I saw this. Made me realize there is something to be said for simplicity. Problems that you can diagnose without the aid of a computer or proprietary software! Basic nuts and bolts.

dhirm5

If simplicity is your core concern, stick to your bike. That old MG TC Roadster is not going to compare to a modern 911 in any way other than being cute/interesting.

4carl

you kind of missed the point but that’s OK. It wasn’t that I was saying an MGTC what is a competitor to my 992 gt3 . My point is there is some beauty in simplicity and you get to a point of more complication as just A solution looking for a problem. Carl

dhirm5

I understand what you’re saying but my response stands. As you move further to simplicity, you lose features/functionality.

As a tech geek, I like all the bells and whistles - and don’t lament the complexity.

malba2366

This study measures "problems" in the first 90 days of ownership, so it is highly skewed towards problems customers have using vehicle features and fit/finish issues and not actual vehicle reliability. Porsche is near the top in the VDS which measures problems in 3 year old cars.

22992

^Yes. I love my car, but part of the desire (for me anyway) was to experience the precise detail and quality of a 911. Some of the small things (door shut lines, rattles, Infotainment jitters) are indeed very small issues, but seeing all of these executed better in my wife’s Kia is bit disappointing. Truth be told, even though they are small issues, they do impact my opinion of the overall vehicle very very slightly.

icanthelpit

Now if it were a TF….😜

chance6

Well I wonder if Toyota or Lexus has as many Homelink, Apple carplay, etc., glass issues...hmmm...it is a factor.