GuardsRed992

There are some differences, while both have PASM, only the S can be lowered

CodyBigdog

Another feature/option that is available on the S, that is a definite + in terms of handling, is the RAS. I don’t think (?) it is available on the base model.

Anyway, all the 992 Carrera’ s are fantastic.

Mark S

If you get a C4 then PTV+ is available as an option.

achilleas101

Curious what people are able to do with a manual? I thought i read a mag that tested a 4s at 3.6 or 3.7 in manual vs 3.1, 3.2 with the pdk.

Vista6019

Porsche SO underestimates the performance figures on these cars…..

CodyBigdog

They sure do. On the Porsche web site, they have significantly higher 0-60 times: I assume it does not deduct the industry standard 1 ft rollout time, which usually equates to about a 0.2 sec reduction in time?

For PDK and 2WD.

Base 911: 3.8 sec (Porsche), with chrono. Best time, C&D @3.2x sec (includes rollout deduction)

S is 3.3 sec (Porsche). Best published time: 2.9x sec (includes rollout deduction) **Recently I measured 3.11 sec..so between Porsche time and best published times, my time seems pretty reasonable **

GTS is 3.2 sec (Porsche). Best published time 2.8x sec.(includes rollout time deduction)

I think the biggest variables that can effect times are: rated octane of gas used; road conditions; tire condition/inflation {all fall under the heading of having good traction at the start}, and temp and humidity - cooler, moist air allows for higher boost pressures. What I forgot to try was, hitting the SRB prior to launch, so see if that does anything in reducing times?

CodyBigdog

For the gear heads (or engineers) in the group, you all might find this very interesting:

You Tube

aggie57

We manual drivers don’t talk 0-60 times. Some say it’s because we’re embarrassed, we just call it having fun.

CanAutM3

These are solid runs , very close to C&D numbers.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/

Il CP

Quite sure C&D subtract rollout.

CanAutM3

They do, but if I understood right, so do his numbers.

Il CP

Porsche does not deduct the rollout, they provide the actual time. Also, Porsche specifies 0-62 mph as far as I know. My cars have been pretty spot on over the years - being it measured with a V-Box or Dragy. The rollout deduction is not an industry standard, it's just something magazines use to get things more interesting. Perhaps you can call it a magazine standard, but it is definitely not an automotive industry standard. If one wants to compare times to what Porsche claims, the rollout needs to be included.

Richard_Wallace

I have not ran my 2022 992 Targa 4s MT, but I did run my 2020 992 C4S Manual way back in early 2020 (Copied this from another post from 2020)...

First run - 4.2 second (decent start, my shift to second was a bit slower than run 3)
Second run - 4.5 seconds (Bad start, and horrible shift to 2nd) - you would think I never drove a stick shift..
Third run 4.0 seconds (This was a good run, smooth start and shift to second was quick).
Another day with a Dragy - and 1 foot rollout. 3.98 seconds -(Similar to above, and about the best I could do without slipping the clutch to an unacceptable level)

First Three of these these times were on a VBox without the 1 foot run out...

Temp and DA were terrible = 94 degrees F, and a DA of 3998

I noted in the other thread, my other car I was running was also slow due to those conditions by about .2 from it's normal times. I think without abusing a MT clutch, you would likely be around ~3.8-3.7 seconds (with 1 ft roll out) in better conditions (DA/Temp) on a non-prepped track but good road conditions.

I think R&T did a manual run at 3.6, but I am pretty sure they had to abuse the clutch a bit to get it to launch more quickly, or they have a much better driver (Both likely the case)

CodyBigdog

Correct, my 3.11 time deducts the rollout time. . As the folks at Dragy told me, the “default” is to subtract the 1ft rollout time. Dragy claims their accuracy, compared to true drag strip times are accurate to +/- 0.03 sec.I think the accuracy and repeatability is relevant when it comes to trying to compare times that are less than a 0.1 sec apart.

I think if I find a flatter, less bumpy road to run on, on a cooler day…my numbers will improve. By how much, I can’t be sure…but pretty confident I can hit 3.0x sec. The best C&D times are 2.9x (I assume on an optimal road surface and ideal temps, etc). C&D truncates the 1/100th of a sec reading…so could be 2.98 sec (closer to 3.0) or it could be 2.91 sec (closer to 2.9 sec), for all anybody knows?

FYI - Here is what the “Dragy Team” sent me:

”Thank you for reaching out! All default mode with NHRA rules (including 1/4 and 1/8 mile) comes with 1ft rollout enabled, while custom mode does not. For all default speed mode starting from 0, we include a time record named "0-xxx (1 ft)" in the performance report means that the time it takes in first 1 feet is deducted.

Please let us know if you have any questions. Thank you for your support!”

CodyBigdog

Dragy claims, as do most auto magazines, the 1 ft rollout is a “NHRA rule/standard”. As far as I am concerned, it’s only value is in an attempt to try and standardize possible errors/fluctuations at the start of the pull. See the Dragy comment in my post (above). C&D explains it better. As of 2019, all C&D times included the rollout deduction.

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...hange-rollout/

On the Porsche web site, they state 0-60 mph, not 0-62 mph. I would think if they meant 62mph, they would have stated as such? The 62.x mph is the conversion from 100kph (which is often used in many European car/web sites).