Good evening folks.

I took delivery of my C2S a couple of weeks ago, and have driven maybe 10 miles. So, take this with a grain of salt:

My daily driver for the past few years is a 2016 Golf R. It’s been a great car for us, and will remain in the family. One (of the many) key differences between the R and the C2S is the clutch. With the Golf, I can keep my heel on the floor and flex my foot down to shift, which takes a nominal amount of movement and is great. In the 911, I fell like I need to hover my leg over the clutch and lift & press my knee to shift. It’s fine, but it feels a little awkward. Here’s my question: should I quit whining and just get used to it; or, is there a seat position that I can adjust so that I can keep my heel on the floor?

 

My M2 feels similar.

I have never entirely gotten used to it.

 

Every manual I've ever owned has required knee movement. Never heard of this rocking your foot on the heal only. Fascinating.

 

gives a whole new meaning to heel-and-toe …

 

I've had MANY manual transmission vehicles in the past - both cars and trucks - from a 1967 full size Chevy to a 2014 Corvette. NEVER have I had one where I kept my heel on the floor - I think your Golf is the anomaly.

 

How big are your feet? Mine are size 10 and I have no problems with heel on floor and pivoting toe up and down on the 992 clutch just like I do with my F80 M3 and all my other previous manual transmission cars. I just taught my son how to drive stick in my 992 and I noticed that he kept lifting his entire foot up to release the clutch making him a very jerky driver. it turned out to be his crappy stiff soled shoes as I couldn't shift properly either when i wore his shoes.

 

To be clear, I pivot my foot up to the grab point of the clutch where the car starts to move forward. This modulation is key when releasing the clutch. After that point, I can lift my foot off the clutch w/o issue b/c the car is effectively in gear. But, up to that grab point, my heel is on the floor and I am pivoting my toe up to release the clutch. If had to modulate the clutch from the floor up to the grab point by lifting my whole leg, no way I could do that easily.

 

OP I’ve been contemplating making this exact post. You ripped the words out of my mouth. I came from a Si and the clutch is nearly half as shallow if not more than the 992. I would describe it exactly like how you have where I have to depress the entire knee instead of using just the heel to push my foot in. It’s a completely different action to shift and feels awkward and difficult. You are definitely not alone.

I have driven other european manuals namely an older Cayman R, BMW 135 and don’t recall it being this “deep”.

Another thing to note, the engagement point for the 992 is ridiculously high almost right before it’s completely at the top. I would say it’s about 25% depressed which means 75% of depressing the clutch doesn’t do anything.

Also admit I am just whiny and will get used to it over time. I felt like I was a noob when I first picked up the car even though I daily a manual for the past 15 years.

 

So it's been a couple years since I sold my 2016 Golf R manual, but from what I remember, yes I was able to keep my foot on the floor and didn't require much movement to push down the clutch. I've only had my C2S for a month, I've been driving manual my whole life so don't really put much thought into, it's just muscle memory, but I don't think I need much movement to push down on the C2S clutch either and my foot is resting on the floor. Will try to be more aware of it when I take it out for a drive next.

 

funny you brought up the Golf R . I had two of them , and the joke in our family is the clutch on the 911 is so soft and is directly borrowed from the Golf R as you can push it down with one toe. That for us is a weak point for the Golf R
I think the difference you are describing is most likely related to seating position

 

yeah, me either. That invokes an image of a pedal that comes out of the floor vs the fire wall.

 

I literally bought another car so I could avoid teaching my son on my 991.2. Worth every penny in anxiety alone.

Also, I think this thread is eye-opening, and apparently I'm not the only one. Just how different people are with their personal preferences. I vaguely remember trying to use the clutch with my heel on the floor to reduce fatigue/increase comfort, and gave up figuring it was impossible- actually went to mostly not using the clutch at all for a while. I wear a size 12 for reference, and have driven dozens of manuals in all sorts of vehicles for nearly 30 years. I'm with the other folks who just can't quite comprehend how you'd even go about NOT lifting your foot off the floor, physically...

Also worth noting, I never could quite learn how to effectively heel/toe either, or at least it wasn't as fun for me as everyone makes it out to be and vastly preferred the auto-rev matching in my 991. Maybe the size 12s have something to do with that...

Also also worth noting, I'm one of the few on this board who are actually moving away from insisting all my sports cars are manual, and have specced my upcoming 992 GTS with PDK...

But I'll also be leveraging my son's Si and eventually buying an S2000 or Boxster or E46 or something with a manual for when I still want that fix.

 

I felt the exact same way when I got my 4S- have I completely forgotten what a manual feels like? The clutch is “high”- agree with others that it’s more “shallow” on other MT’s I have driven. I would say it took me a good 5000kms to get used to it- but you will love it I promise!

 

I also have a MK VII Golf R MT which I use as my DD. As mentioned earlier, the clutch feel is very similar to my C2S (light). My mantra has always been "the clutch pedal should either be in or out." I have always gotten 100k+ miles from clutches in my vehicles, and never keep my heel on the floor.

 

On the old Porsches, the clutch pedal and brake hinged from the bottom, and that required a bit of a different technique as the pivot points were completely different than any modern three pedal car.

My first Porsche was a 1970 911E and it looked like this - sometimes the carpets / mats would shift forward and bind up up the brake and clutch a bit. Modern pedals are very easy to use!