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Old Feb 11, 2022 | 05:09 PM
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I don't think anyone "riding" the clutch. Resting the heel on the floor and "hovering" above the pedal do "not" make contact with the pedal. It simply helps to apply the pedal in a hurry in an emergency. It's actually pretty comfortable. Another place to rest the foot other than Dead Pedal.
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Old Feb 11, 2022 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
I think the high engagement point on the 7MT might have something to do with anti-stall feature that Porsche has implemented. You need a bit of travel to "tell" the computer, "help, don't make me look like a doofus ..."
I don't know what the "anti-stall" feature is. It will stall. However, in gear, if you push the clutch back in within three seconds, it automatically re-starts.
It also has hill-holder, just like a Subaru.
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Old Feb 11, 2022 | 05:11 PM
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It's been almost a week. Has OP driven more than 10 miles?
I drove ours over 200 miles the first day.
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Old Feb 11, 2022 | 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by garthg
I don't know what the "anti-stall" feature is. It will stall. However, in gear, if you push the clutch back in within three seconds, it automatically re-starts.
It also has hill-holder, just like a Subaru.
Yeah, it should be called "Stall Recovery"! We can leave the Anti-Stall to F1!
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Old Feb 12, 2022 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by the_rider
Phew! Thanks, russbert; you saved me from having an anxiety attack! I have smaller frame, with size 9. You think I should be good? You can tell by feeling how much of toe of the shoe sits above the pedal when the heel is resting.
I have size 10 feet. I put my heel on the floor and just pivot my toe up to release the clutch. However, I only do this up to the point where clutch engages and car starts to move forward. After that, I have to lift my foot (heel also) off the floor to release the clutch the rest of the way. However, honestly, as I think about it, that's exactly how I release the clutch on every single one of my manual cars. The 992 feels no different in this regard. For me, it's only critical to pivot off the clutch up to the grab point b/c you need fine control of the clutch pedal to pause slightly in order to get any manual car to start smoothly. The clutch is easiest to modulate when your heel is on the floor. After the clutch is fully engaged, you can lift your foot off the clutch without issue. It feels no different, in this regard, than the manual in my F80 M3... or my E60 535i... or my E92 335is... or my Nissan 240SX... or my Nissan 300ZXTT... or my Infiniti G20t, etc. In other words, the 992's clutch works pretty much the same as in my BMWs and Nissans. It is not some anomaly that has a crazy high engagement point and is hard to drive as some people are making it out to be in this thread. You can easily pivot your foot to the engagement point with heel on the floor. I suppose you can keep pivoting beyond that point too, but I just find it more natural to lift my whole foot after that point rather than to uncomfortably keep angling my toe upwards w/ heel still on the floor.
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Old Feb 12, 2022 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Muckesäckele
TOTALLY worth picking up an old, used manual 4-banger for a couple of grand to teach a kid manual. I was lucky to have a neighbor with an old Accord we could borrow for the kid to start learning the manual. THEN gave the 911 a try - and still struggled a bit. Especially when working on the finer points - like starting on a steep hill with the parking brake in the mix. I'd NEVER want to teach that in the 911. Plus, given their challenging clutches, I don't think a newbie would even be able to learn this technique in an older 911 at least. In a Civic? Piece of cake! THEN graduate to the Porsche clutch and refine that technique.
While I was taught how to drive stick in a 4 cylinder 1980 Toyota Celica, I've been teaching my son how to drive a manual in my 992 and F80 M3. He's been driving the 992 since it had 300 miles on the odo. It is totally fine and easy to drive and learn on. Because of the auto-start after stalling feature, the rev matching and hill hold, it is vastly easier to drive than some old manual w/o these features. Plus, it's a Porsche. These cars are built strong and built to last. I have zero concerns that he's going to burn out the clutch or damage the transmission. I do agree with you that it would be more difficult to learn on a 964 or older 911 with the bottom hinged pedals.
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Old Feb 13, 2022 | 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by AlterZgo
......... I put my heel on the floor and just pivot my toe up to release the clutch. However, I only do this up to the point where clutch engages and car starts to move forward. After that, I have to lift my foot (heel also) off the floor to release the clutch the rest of the way. However, honestly, as I think about it, that's exactly how I release the clutch on every single one of my manual cars. The 992 feels no different in this regard. ..................... After the clutch is fully engaged, you can lift your foot off the clutch without issue. ...............
You nailed it! Thanks. This is exactly how I do as well. You verbalized it correctly. Glad to know 992 is not an anomaly!

Besides, another plus for resting the heel right below the clutch is, I can relax by laying the toe on the dead pedal; but, ready to straighten at the ankle and pivot down on the pedal in a hurry ("cover the pedal"). And, when releasing the pedal, lift the entire foot off the floor as the clutch engages and pedal comes up completely.

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Old Feb 13, 2022 | 03:28 AM
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Originally Posted by the_rider
You nailed it! Thanks. This is exactly how I do as well. You verbalized it correctly. Glad to know 992 is not an anomaly!

Besides, another plus for resting the heel right below the clutch is, I can relax by laying the toe on the dead pedal; but, ready to straighten at the ankle and pivot down on the pedal in a hurry ("cover the pedal"). And, when releasing the pedal, lift the entire foot off the floor as the clutch engages and pedal comes up completely.
+1 I drove my Si the other day and realized that I also had to lift my foot AFTER the engagement point. However, now I am worried because I do feel the engagement point is crazy high on my 992. I hope it’s not just my car as others don’t seem to have a problem. Actually it seems like this thread is fairly divided between folks who find it no different and folks who find the engagement point high. That’s precisely the reason why I can’t drive the 992 well because I can’t fine control the clutch with just the heel to the engagement point but rather have to lift the entire foot to hit it. FWIW, I am a size 9 and maybe smaller frame/shorter folks are having this issue?

Makes me want to bring it back to dealer to check if there’s something off with my clutch. The engagement point is near the top and the majority of the clutch travel is “void”.
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Old Feb 13, 2022 | 07:13 AM
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I have driven many manuals, and so did my brother. There was absolutely nothing odd with the clutch on the 992 on first drive and would not have thought about any of this until i read this thread. I have a feelijg seating position is playing a role here, maybe sit farther away ?

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